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FoothillsRyan
FoothillsRyan

Who is Admiral Gaudin?  That's awesome!!!  Bumgarner is a "hoss" but those sure aren't mechanics to teach your kid or pay anyone to teach your kid.   The step to the first base side of plate and throwing across the body can't be good for the shoulder.  However, it certainly helps his deception and the low 3/4 release from that point gives his cutter a nice wide angle to the third base side of the plate.  Perhaps his release angle and his pressure point on the seam enables him to put less stress on his elbow.  Perhaps he doesn't supinate the wrist as much as other pitchers.  I think its that supination that eventually wreaks havoc on the elbow ligaments.  I don't know, I'm just talking out of my @ss.    So, its the shoulder that's the concern to me.  But he's a hoss and his 91-92 sounded very encouraging in his last start.. 

Enosarris
Enosarris

My rule, backed slightly by research, is sliders stress elbows and curves stress shoulders. But there are the pitchers that just pitch forever too. Great piece. One last thing: Kyle boddy found that the three quarter slot puts stress on the elbow. And with Bumgarner's sometimes up and down velocity, I'll say I'm a little concerned about potential TJ at some point. But! Pitchers with control do well, and he has that, and as we said on twitter, he is no Chris Sale. He's a hoss

ogc
ogc

great article and topic!

Yeah, just from Giants history - Nen, Romo - there appears to be a connection between sliders and possible future injury to the arm or shoulder. 

Chris had Liriano under the now injured part, his comment nailed it, though I would also add that Liriano's repeated patterns of injury was part of the reason why the Giants trade him, I think.  He was already suffering from a lot of arm problems when we had him and he was very young, so it was not a surprise per se that he was good, but more a surprise that he stayed healthy long enough to show how good he is/was.  I expected him to flame out before reaching the majors but to his and the Twins credit, he made it up here and was good for a little while.

But I think he belongs under the "be careful for what you wish for" category, as he has totally screwed up the Twins plans for years now, as they had had him written in to be the ace of the staff, only to have to DL him or whatever, I would say that his issues were a greater factor in their lack of success in recent years than Morneau's or Mauer's injury problems.  It's hard to replace the ace of your staff early in the season or heck, at any point in the season.

ariess
ariess

Not sure if Bumgarner's problems are due to, mechanics, or exhaustion.  He seems to have a fairly easy motion.  Its hard to categorize Liriano as never being that good.  I think he was good prior to multiple injuries.   He also has a serious change-up so his pitching arsenal is definitely different than Bumgarner's.

Chris Quick
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@ariess Liriano was always a pitcher with a lot of talent, just ravaged by injuries.

DrBGiantsfan
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Is there a specific injury that sliders seems to cause?  If it's UCL tears, that seems to take a year out of pitcher's career but is usually not otherwise career ending.  If it's shoulders, well, that is a whole other story.  

I guess I'm more concerned about Bummy's velocity ups and downs and what is behind him as well as his overall workload from a very young age.  

One thing possibly in his favor is his pitching motion seems to be very natural without a lot of stress on the arm.