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ogc
ogc

I basically agree about Ramirez, I figure he's the favorite to win that last position.  But I would note that while Procter is old, apparently the report is that he picked up a new pitch while in Japan so that might rejuvenate his performance, even if he is old, as he is also experienced.

 

I think Gaudin is just here so that we can put him in AAA in case we need a starter, since we don't know right now what we got with Heston or Kickham in AAA.  

FoothillsRyan
FoothillsRyan

Let 'em compete for that job.  Competition: the rites of spring training.  If Gaudin has more stamina or versatility to be a competent swing man, I think he's the lead guy.  He's like Clay Hensley with a little more mustard.  Which ain't that great, but if he can bridge a Zito flop from from the 4th to the 6th inning, he's probably the guy.

TSF
TSF

I agree that Ramirez should be the final bullpen piece, and he really should get it by default. However, beyond establishing a depth hierarchy in case of injury, I wouldn't dismiss guys like Proctor or Gaudin whether they have a good ST or not.

 

The general consensus is this final spot is to replace Mota as the long man, but the 2012/2013 bullpen is different from 2010/2011, and that role has shifted. The old Giants bullpen had a defined closer, a set setup man/ROOGY, a LOOGY, a long man, and a bunch of guys who could pitch in the middle through seventh innings. The new bullpen has a closer?, no setup man, two LOOGYs and fewer guys who can pitch the middle innings.

 

I don't see this final spot as a back-end type at all, since the current staff is carrying two LOOGYs and the setup/closing spot might rotate between Affeldt, Casilla and Romo. That leaves Kontos as the only one who we could consider a true middle reliever, and since the Giants are committed to protecting Romo and carrying Mijares, the sought reliever should be expected to pitch in higher leverage (innings 5-7) situations than Mota would have.

 

Ramirez is still ideal, but if Gaudin/Proctor show strikeout stuff and can hold down an inning, I'd seriously consider them since I think the Giants aren't going to try for multiple innings out of one reliever often anymore.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick moderator

 @TSF Good points all around. Depth moves are fine -- that's what Gaudin and Proctor are. So, I'm not dismissing them, really, just pointing out that Ramirez should be leader, right now, for that final spot. Sandy Rosario is still an interesting arm to me. His numbers in the minors aren't bad and despite giving up a ton of hits in a brief time in the majors, he appears to have good stuff. Might be a darkhorse candidate. 

glib
glib

If Runzler somehow starts showing good control, he will certainly be #7 with chances of moving up the pecking order. Disappointed not to see Javier Herrera, I thought the winner of the race between him and Cole Gillespie could do a passable Nady impersonation for a whole season. But basically, they have 15 guys in camp vying for three spots - 7th reliever, 5th OF, and 5th IF.

Will_the_Shrill
Will_the_Shrill

You're bit about Gregor Blanco hitting better reminds me of that Spring Training when the Giants fans were getting excited about Burriss's extra pop.

Jim T
Jim T

what has happened, if anything, to infielder Brock Bond...?  Nice minor league resume...don't know about his defense....

Chris Quick
Chris Quick moderator

 @Jim T He's limited defensively and no one seems to like him. Nice OBPs, though.