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TSF
TSF

He should be shut down except for an inning or two of relief. Zito won't be a Giant in a couple years, but Bumgarner will. Short term glory isn't worth this kind of gamble.

ogc
ogc

If the Giants thinks that he can safely pitch without harming himself, I think at this point, putting him into the bullpen is the best route, particularly since the Cards kill LHP.  I would just piggyback Madison after a Zito start, get as much as we can out of him, then let Bumgarner go, then into the bullpen, or essentially a bullpen game but using starters instead.  As bad as Zito can be, he actually pitched well against the Cards earlier this season and has had good starts before as well.  It is just that he has had bad ones too.  I would just start him and cross my fingers on it, and if he's not up for it, hook him quickly and bring in Bumgarner.  Bumgarner could take Lincecum's bullpen role for a while, rest up, maybe come in for one start in the World Series if we can muster up the offense to do that.

FANsince1976
FANsince1976

I"m starting to have Steve Avery nightmares. Please no! Ugh!

sfgiants1958
sfgiants1958

If I were Barry Zito I'd be in the pen every day staying on top of his curve. He was not sharp last time out. But he hadn't pitched in 10 days. The guy can hit the corner when he's on and when he's on the Giants win. Get in the pen Z, and be ready.

malbert24
malbert24

I am 100% OK with shutting him down.  He's just not the same guy he's been, either by velocity or control.  When MadBum walked Lance Lynn, I assumed something horrible had happened.

jakesundstrom
jakesundstrom

If Bumgarner was shutting teams down for seven innings every time he got a start but felt gassed, I'd see this as a tougher decision. As it stands, he is pitching poorly AND risking his health...gotta shut him down.

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mccoveychron
mccoveychron

I think the tiebreaker between the risk of further injury and the reward of immediate success is "Do you expect him to be good in his next outing?" The answer is almost certainly lol no, so the Giants would probably be smart to shut him down, except for a relief appearance when things get furry.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

mccoveychron That's a good way to look at it. Probably the other way to look at it is: Is tired Bumgarner worse than Regular Barry Zito? I'm not sure on that one.