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NealinNevada
NealinNevada

That side angle shot says it all to me...his plant foot is down before his arm starts forward on the delivery. He might as well be pitching out of a chair...the largest muscle groups in his body are static before his arm starts forward. This is a mess...

@KennyCupp
@KennyCupp

I don't think this has anything to do with saving face. As a poster above said - Zito's contract is sunk cost. So if we can get ANYTHING serviceable out of him, its worth it. Who gives a rip if he has to keep tweaking his delivery - if any of this results in him suddenly attaining a 4.10 ERA and keeping from walking a thousand batters, I'll take it. Aside from Surkamp - who admittedly hasn't necessarily dazzled either - there's no one in the minors who he's preventing from playing. If Petit is a better option, then thats fine. Petit was also 3-11 for ARI in his last season in the majors, so I guess there's some luster of the unknown quantity with him. But the organization cannot give up on Zito. The fans? Thats a different story.

Robert Haymond
Robert Haymond

Giants trying to save face by incorporating Zito and his astronomic salary when it's obvious, and has been obvious, that Zito cannot pitch at a major league level, not now and not in the last three years. It would have been more pragmatic for the Giants to just let Zito stay at home, eaten his salary and nurtured a few new pitchers. None of the new pitchers, incidentally, would have done as badly as veteran Zito. Let this be a lesson in the demerits of "saving face"!

Curtis
Curtis

The money is gone. Whether he's at home drinking a vegan shake while doing yoga or on the mound doing his best crouching tiger, hidden Zito delivery, the money is LONG gone and wasted. The only difference being, he can't hurt your ball club if he's at home doing yoga. Just let him go and MAKE everybody happy.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I don't disagree with you, but right now, the Giants need Zito. Surkamp could bump him off this year, but he's hurting right now ... so .... Zito! Also, the team might consider Petit at some point. The back-end of the G's rotation is pretty scary right now.

rog61
rog61

They need him, but if he goes out and can't get out of the 3rd inning say 4 starts in a row (which is about what 2011 Zito did when he came back from the first DL stint), how long do they let him get pounded and who do they turn to? Petit I guess until Surkamp's back up to speed. Perhaps we're getting a glimpse into the "send Kickham to Richmond" logic. My favorite stat from Zito's last couple starts is how many outs were actually made on the basepaths, making his lines look much much better than they really were!

Paapfly
Paapfly

Are these gif's really him in the windup? I don't understand how they can be. If they are, he's not going to get any more velocity out of it. The finish on the second gif is nonexistent. You're not going to get any bite or any speed by throwing a baseball with that motion.It honestly looked like he was trying to exchange baseballs by tossing it to the catcher to swap with the umpire

TSF
TSF

It's an interesting attempt, nonetheless. I'm not too familiar with the details of Lincecum's mechanics, but the analogy I see often is he swings his arm like a catapult to achieve velocity otherwise not possible for his frame. Given Zito's Achilles' Heel (or one of them, at least) has been his declining velocity, anything to put a few MPH back onto his fastball is worth a shot. And Lincecum from the Left would add some deception and make Zito's other pitches a bit more effective.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Also, this might be the most insane couple of sentences that I've ever read. Zito, who is still owed $46 million, attempted to mimic Tim Lincecum’s delivery during an offseason working with noted pitching guru Tom House. But observers both inside and outside the Giants organization tell me that Zito doesn’t have the arm speed or athleticism to pull off that delivery. Zito’s arm drags behind his body as he plants his front foot, leading to hittable pitches at the belt. http://www.csnbayarea.com/baseball-san-francisco-...

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Good stuff. I honestly don't know what to expect from Zito this year. Things are not looking good ATM.

Paapfly
Paapfly

Pitching is all about extension. The more extended you can get, the closer the ball is to the batter when it's released. It's one of the things that Lincecum does remarkably well.Zito has no extension and looks to be releasing the ball way too high, way too soon with no finish. If you cannot get out in front, everything ends up high and with less bite and movement. It's also what happens when a pitcher tires.He needs to go back to the drawing board or just go back to his old delivery. Maybe he can that way give the Giants a few more starts, something.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Yep, they are from the windup. I think it was Schulman that noted today that Zito's lower half and upper half have been out of sync this spring. The side view makes him look pretty unbalanced. Just looks like all arm to me, but as I say, I'm not an expert. You certainly pitched at a higher level than I ever did.

Paapfly
Paapfly

This is where I'm at when it comes to 82-mph maximum velocity Zito.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Pretty sure I saw him throw a 79 mph fastball in that Padres game.