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Damon
Damon

It's a shame that Prett Pill can't play a serviceable second base. A 107 wRC+ would be awesome at that position, especially with Freddy still out and the looming prospect of Manny Burris, Starting Middle Infielder. Can't we send him off to some sort of hellish boot camp for a month or two and get him to a not-terrible level? He can't be worse than Dan Uggla (-12.2 UZR last year).

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I imagine that Brett Pill would be worse than Dan Uggla defensively. (Offensively, too.)

@KennyCupp
@KennyCupp

I wonder how differently we'd be viewing this whole scenario if Aubrey Huff was sipping margaritas in Corpus Christi right now....Belt would be entrenched as the starting 1B, Nate would have RF gifted to him, and Pill would be the utility player/pinch hitter du jour. Yet instead, the organization "wonders if Belt is ready" and seems more ready to push Pill towards something that doesn't seem like he doesn't necessarily deserve. Wierd how the presence of a guy sans the red thong screws up a good thing.

rog61
rog61

Everything you say makes sense, but I have to say that when Baggs tweeted on Tuesday that a 3b platoon with Sandoval and Pill might make sense, I wanted to scratch my eyes out. I know Baggs has been a huge Pill booster for some time now, but if the FO really can muse on the notion that a lineup with Huff and Pill is superior to one with Sandoval and Belt, that would be beyond incredible.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I like Baggs, I really do. But I sometimes thinks he's a little off -- especially on Pill. He's a big booster of Pill for whatever reason. So, yeah. And does anyone honestly think Pill can play any non-1B position even remotely non-terribly? I don't think so.

Eugene
Eugene

I think Bags is being hypnotized by Pill's homerun swing. It's pretty, long and lazy. It looks great on replay but, obviously a BAT-SPLOSION like Barry Bonds' in the early part of last decade or Prince Fielder's swing today is more desirable. :p

rog61
rog61

I just think journalists get "captured" by good stories sometimes in a way that blinds them the greater picture. But his harping on Pill's RBI skills last year was a little embarrassing to me. As for Pill being non-terrible at 3b, Sean Estes mentioned on yesterday's game cast that he's "looking pretty comfortable over there" and he could be a good alternative to "spelling Pablo" sometimes. When you hear it from one source it can be weird personal attachments. When it comes from two near the team sources, I start believing that some team official(s) is floating the word.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I don't often ask for defensive evaluations at third base, but when I do, I ask Shawn Estes. wut

Zig
Zig

Brett PIll at 2nd in not happening. What are the chances that Brett Pill can ever play 3rd at a credible level to be back-up? If he can only play 1st base he better be a very good pinch hitter

C Note
C Note

I have no problem with Pill as 25th man/bat-off-the-bench. And I do think it makes sense to let Belt get regular at-bats in Fresno until they are ready to commit to him as an every day player, rather than jerk him from Fresno to the lineup to the bench like they did last year. One thing I have a bit of a problem with is the view that benching Nate is the best way to get Belt's bat in the lineup. We've heard a lot about Huff being on a shorter leash this spring, but I hope that Pagan will be on a relatively short leash as well. The fact is that Nate was a better hitter than either Huff or Pagan last year. Pagan has not looked good this spring (yeah, I realize just spring training, but he hasn't inspired confidence especially coming off a down year). Melky can play a passable CF if necessary, and if Pagan's bat isn't playing he can still help the team as a defensive replacement and as a bench bat/PR. I guess that I'm surprised that people seem to be willing to give Pagan more leash than Huff... Pagan wasn't much better than Huff last year.

fogbound
fogbound

Any time a former Humboldt Crab has a chance to stick in the majors, its a good thing!

Lee Russ
Lee Russ

In Pill's favor: none of his minor league years are "bad," the two good years that you focus on are 2 of the 3 most recent years, and even in his worst year he was a pretty good doubles hitter. He does seem to have a feel for hitting with men on base, which, God knows, this team needs almost as much as it needs oxygen. His home run power seems to have been on the increase in the last 3 years. Against Pill: He's 27. No, he will never be Albert Pujols or Ryan Howard. Yes, he's a right handed bat when the team needs a left handed bat much more. Here's a scenario that I could live with. Belt starts at Fresno, Pill gets some ABs at first and in left, maybe at third if he can field the position. Huff gets off to a reasonably good start and Pill hits .280+ with a little power. In a couple of months, Huff gets packaged with a low minors pitcher for a reasonable facsimile of a 5th starter. Belt takes over Huff's role and Pill continues to split time at 1st, LF, and maybe third.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

.275/.319/.433 as a 25 year old in Fresno is bad. .266/.321/.395 as a 23 year old in San Jose is terrible. Especially as a first baseman, which he still is.

Jon
Jon

why is it not possible that his last two years are the real indicators? Hitters find something and become noticably better in the span of one year all the time (see Jose Bautista)....

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

A) His last two years *aren't* good. 10% below average in the PCL in 2010 and 7% above average in the PCL in 2011. That's not good. B) Jose Bautista never happens. That's like saying that every speedy OF will become Andres Torres, or every reclamation project will turn into Vogelsong. It's beyond rare.

Karl
Karl

Thank you!! Finally some reasonable sense being talked! Pill is NOT going to be a starting big league 1st basemen. So many times sept call ups get a few plate appearances and smoke the ball, then fizzle out. I completely agree with you that huff needs to be in left with belt at first. We only have so many years with this pitching staff. We HAVE to put our best bats out on the field asap. As well I think that Hector Sanchez needs to be the back up catcher, since our back up will get 40-60 games behind the dish. With that many at bats, we CANNOT have an automatic out ***stewart, whitside cough cough*** in the 8 hole, giving our line up 2 automatic outs at the bottom of the order which is a rally killer.

kevin
kevin

I REALLY think you underestimate Pill...RBI-aptitiude, great D...look at that 2009 season in the eastern league, a pitcher's paradise.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

RBI aptitude is silly. I think, the last I looked, ZiPS projected Pill at a 90 OPS+ which seems about right. Good enough for a bench bat. Not good enough to start.

Daver321
Daver321

It's easy to say they are more critical of Belt because they have higher expectations of him. However, I'm getting tired of that argument and am coming around to canofcorn's thinking. I'll give the Giant's FO more credit when they earn it.

Chris
Chris

I think the the FO feels that this is Pill's time because he's not going to learn anything else in AAA, and is 27. It's all downhill from here for the guy. And furthermore, he's not a "prospect" in the way that Belt is a prospect. As you say, if Belt is in Fresno, it's because they want him to continue to improve and play every day, because they have big plans for Belt. They may fundamentally misunderstand Belt's value RIGHT NOW, but I trust they recognize his importance going forward. As for Pill... so what if he rides the pine and hits off the bench? He stands on the third base side of the plate and swings hard, two things the Giants want. If he can roll out of bed and do a half-decent John Mayberry, Jr. impression, good for him and good for the Giants. If he doesn't... he's pretty expendable.

The Miracles
The Miracles

It is March 27. This is my official pronouncement. The Giants will finish in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th in their division. I don't remember a spring that's been wackier or more unpredictable. I still think Nate is going to break out this year, and I've bet a round of drinks that Belt hits at least 22 belts. Beyond that I am not prepared to go.

can of corn
can of corn

Are you absolutely SURE that the front office doesn't think Pill is better than Belt? I don't see critical statements about Pill in the news. And I do see Pill's shiny ribeyes from Fresno last year providing some good private-time material for those in charge. You have more faith in the brass than I do.

Zig
Zig

They would have to be completely delusional and ignoring the interest of all other teams (many of whom I am sure ask about Belt and none of whom I assume ask about Pill). They would have to think they know more than everyone else and I would think want to sell high on Belt if that was the case. Pill's numbers a sinking by the way in spring and he never takes walks

TSF
TSF

That SF kicked him off the 40 man roster in 2010 and waited until September to call him back up despite the club's offensive weaknesses speaks loudly about how much they think of him. Sabean might have trouble developing hitters, but he's shown an eye for good ones. I trust his initial judgement was correct. But I don't think Belt is competing with Pill at all - if there's any player Belt is going to be compared against, it's Paul Goldschmidt. Rather, after 2012 I think Belt is going to compete primarily against Pablo. The Giants are terrified of losing Posey again and seem hellbent on moving him off C. The elephant in the room no one wants to discuss is Susac, Sanchez, and Joseph could have higher upside than Posey, so if any of them have tremendous break outs in AA or AAA this year, Posey could be moved (or possibly traded) in the near future. I think it's far more likely Posey's arm and defense will take him to third base, while Sandoval's weight will eventually force him to first. And since Sandoval is a switch hitter, Belt will be forced to LF in the long term. Things are never going to get easier for Belt. It's unfortunate, but he picked one heck of a time to audition for Giants 1B.

Paapfly
Paapfly

A lot of this makes sense. Trading Posey doesn't.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Yeah, I don't see the team trading Posey; moving him to another position, however, seems entirely possible. Ideally, one of the Joseph-Susac-Sanchez trio turns into something, but prospects flame out at a pretty high rate and you never really know.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I don't know if it's faith, but I would find it hard to believe that the team values Pill > Belt.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I DO think he has been handled poorly.