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Bradley Emden
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Obviously the key to Burriss having a great year, is never telling him that Spring training is over. When the season starts, just tell him that it is an extended Spring training.

SBball
SBball

Back in high school, I had a pretty good stretch at the plate during a Spring Break Tournament. Some of those opposing pitchers ended up playing pro ball, so my success at that time was sort of like succeeding in the Minors, which is sort of like Spring Training, which is where Burriss is having success. Should the Giants consider me an option at 2B too? Given 600 PAs I could only rank 5 places worse than Burrins in XBHs.

Robert Haymond
Robert Haymond

Had I been the manager, I would have gladly given you the opportunity. And as manager of the Giants, I would gladly give Manny the opportunity. I see that many fans and commentators spend a lot of time (too much) on previous records as opposed to how a player is actually doing on the ball field. We need to open our perspectives and allow a little air in.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

In Manny's case, his previous (extensive) record is more likely to be suggestive of his future performance than a handful of Spring Training at-bats.

rog61
rog61

Actually I think the people who had bad feelings about Melky were mostly looking at his overall career record which is by and large quite bad. While you could conceivably look at his record and see an early potential wasted for years and perhaps a light turn on in 2011, the notion that he was bad in 2010 but generally good otherwise is off base. 2010 isn't even his worst year, and nearly his entire time in NY is poor.

SBball
SBball

First of all, people who were upset about Melky (of which I was not one, btw) were upset because he was not Carlos Beltran. I remember the authors on this site conceding that Melky is an above average defender outside of CF and a decent bat. The "bad" feelings came from the realization that the Giants, who are in desperate need of a big bat, bought themselves a very decent, but underwhelming, presence in the line up. Secondly, you are correct to say that Manny Burris could develop into very nice bat. He could also hit 73 homers and make everyone forget about a left fielder named B. Bonds. Manny could also also regress into the player he has been his whole life: a slappy speedster who can't get the fat part of the bat on the ball consistently. Saying that I, or anyone else, can be wrong is meaningless. The plethora data strongly suggests Manny is not a likely source of production and no Spring Training performance will change that. I'm not to saying that I won't cheer for Manny or hope that he proves me wrong and you right. I'm only lamenting at the fact that the optimism for production at 2B rides on a fleeting performance against pitchers who are "working on their stuff."

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I don't really know what to say to this. You're reading (way, way, wayyyyy) too much into Spring Training stats. So, I'm not sure what to tell you. Burriss hitting .400 this spring means nothing. Really, it means nothing. Find me anything that states having a good spring correlates to success in the majors and I'm all ears. But, Burriss has so many factors working against him I don't have time to rehash them all. And even if I did, I think you're just going to ignore them anyways. >> If that were to be the case, wouldn't you want to advertise the fact that you were wrong, dead wrong? No. I've never said I was wrong on anything. Ever. This is the Internet after all.

Robert Haymond
Robert Haymond

Let's see, Chris. Recall how many postings indicating how badly people felt after the Giants acquired Melky Cabrera in spite of his past (good) record. I think there are too many quick (no pun intended) judgements amongst baseball fans. We really need to permit ourselves the luxury of accepting a ballplayer's credentials on how he is doing now. Like human beings in other aspects of the game of life, athletes can surprise and are not altogether predictable. With the advent of the Jamesian statistical methods and offshoots, people have become too attached to the possibility of accurate predictability. As in other areas of life, we just need to become a wee bit (a lot) more humble regarding our sometimes vaunted ability to predict. Whatever the statistics may say about predilections, baseball, just like life, is not altogether predictable. So let's just see whether Emmanuel Burris will continue his incredible spring into an awesome regular season and, by doing so, assist the Giants in winning another division championship, perhaps a pennant and maybe, just maybe, another World Series. If that were to be the case, wouldn't you want to advertise the fact that you were wrong, dead wrong?

Robert Haymond
Robert Haymond

The trouble with your post, Chris, and it's just about your worst, is that Emmanuel Burriss is swinging the bat faultlessly and, miracle of miracles, he's doing it for our beloved Giants. That you complain about him given his background and age makes little sense in the face of his excellent work in spring training. I am now rooting for him for two reasons: 1) For the sake of the Giants; and 2) Just to show you and your ridiculous post up. Other commentators might actually be appreciative but you...you show no grace.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I deleted this originally, but what the hell.

marcellosfg
marcellosfg

Needed to keep the minus button around. That gem would be at -10.

Paapfly
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It makes sense to put more weight in Manny's 584 (.592 OPS) terrible major league at-bats and 1353 (.691) crummy minors at-bats than his 32, 2012 spring training at-bats, don't you think? That's what Chris was doing.Next time he'll mention he has pretty eyes so not to undervalue him.

Bradley Emden
Bradley Emden

Different players figure it out at different ages. He has speed, he is athletic, and he is out of options. He deserves a shot. Plus he is not Eugenio Velez. And, that has to count for something. Our outfield could have been Bowker, Linden and Schierholtz. All home grown. Ok, I digress.

rog61
rog61

Wow would that be the worst OF in baseball history!

blank
blank

(snark) But, you forgetting about his new light bat that completely changes everything. He now swings a feather. (/snark)

oldjacket
oldjacket

I wonder if any modern player has been a reasonable succcess with that low of an XBH rate.

rog61
rog61

Even Mark Belanger's XBH rate is higher. And Johnny Lemaster's is nearly twice as high.

rog61
rog61

I see almost no hope for Burriss to ever become a competent major league hitter, but I have to say, I still hope like hell that he will be because I really like him as a DC success story (hometown bias). Is it too much to ask that Manny get just one year of being a decently valuable major league baseball player before he fades into the sunset? Probably. But I humbly ask it, nevertheless.

Thomas
Thomas

Can you imagine an infield with Huff, Burriss, and Crawford? I thought we were looking to upgrade our offense?