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ZitotheTeamWrecker
ZitotheTeamWrecker

Someone please remind me why we traded away Zach Wheeler for 2 months of an old guy in a dead season knowing that Zito is our #5?

Brian
Brian

Zito always has something going against him each season he was with the Giants. In the first few years, it was the monster contract and the mediocre numbers he put up. Then it was that combined with the fact that we pumped out superior (cheaper, at least in the early years) starting pitchers like Lincecum and Bumgarner (and Sanchez to a degree), which just magnified how horrible his contract is. Now that we've accepted that it's a sunk cost, we can't accept his numbers as 5th starter numbers since we've been so spoiled by the majority of the pitchers we touch becoming at least above average and the ones that aren't being dumped pretty quickly. Essentially I'm trying to say it's all perspective. If we signed him to a similar, relatively ridiculous contract in the late 90's and were at the sunk cost point, I'm sure we're relish his numbers compared to some of the pitching we had to go through in the early 2000's.

TSF
TSF

Got 'em! Zito strikes him out with an 83 mph fastball!

DiggingForFire
DiggingForFire

Called strike. Batter fell asleep waiting for the pitch to arrive. Seriously though, I think (hope?) that the loss in velocity last year was related to his foot injuries. There's no reason a guy his age with no history of shoulder or elbow problems shouldn't be able to get back up to near 90mph.

Talking Giants
Talking Giants

I think Zito needs to throw a bit harder than 83 to be effective. If he can somehow pitch in the high 80s as opposed to the low 80s, he will be fine. A 5 mph difference in a fastball can be lethal when throwing a curveball followed by a fastball or vice-versa. What kind of Zito will we see? That remains to be seen, but I think he could be one of the best fifth starters in baseball

@s_oblizalo55
@s_oblizalo55

I have a buddy at work who constantly makes slight jokes about Zito and his salary. I stopped caring about how much Zito made about 4 years ago when it became apparent that he was never going to be the pitcher the Giants envisioned when they gave him that rediculous contract. The team cant dump him ala Rowand because they dont have enough depth. Rowand wasn't seeing any PT due to the cluster fuck of outfielders. I think Surkamp would be a OK number 5 but the team would be better served if they just let Zito go out there and pitch. If he can be .500 then i'll be happy.

Bradley Emden
Bradley Emden

How much positive spin can you make from his stats? Dump his 83 MPH arm, and let him pitch for the dodgers, rockies, padres, or dbacks. For a crappy pitcher, you deserve 18 million dollars of spin money, by trying to put a positive view out there. Perhaps you can make some serious money working for his agent. I'm wiith your comment on Surkamp. Let Surkamp have a shot, if he fails, nothing lost. Lets face it, Zito hit the lottery with this contract. Or without having one, he hit the Power ball.

Chris
Chris

If you ignore the guy with the decreased velocity who was below replacement level in 2011, that is. 2009-2010 Barry Zito is fine. 2011 Barry Zito is not.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

2011 had a lot of mitigating factors involved. I share your concern with the lack of velocity stuff, but the larger point that I was trying to drive at is that the Giants kind of need Zito right now. The pitching depth for starters is pretty thin at the moment. If Zito can provide his "usual" 90 ERA+ in 200 innings it'll be a good thing, I think. And, well, if he can't, there's always Surkamp.

rog61
rog61

There were a lot of mitigating factors, but I have to admit as I was reading your piece I kept mentally saying, "well, except last year." By the time I got to the fourth "except last year" I think I'd lost the thread of your argument. though I think we both agree that a return to 2010 Zeets would go a long way towards helping this team's chances.

Chris
Chris

I'd agree with that. My point was that they need a close to a full regression to 2010 form, which is my main source of worry. He's never going to be an $18 million man... But since the start of last season I have had serious doubts about how much he has left in the tank. I only hope that the car accident threw his season off course and he's still the "same old Zito" beneath that noise. It's sad, but I'd take that as the best case scenario.

DiggingForFire
DiggingForFire

They might be approaching the crossroads, but they're travelling in a horse and cart and that crossroads is still many, miles away. With Zito's salary making him untradeable and with his contract running until the end of next year plus the $8m buyout I can't see the Giants cutting ties with him until mid-next season at the earliest. He would have to absolutely, completely, totally fall apart this year to lose the 5th starter job, and even then I think they would just make him the most expensive long reliever in baseball for the rest of the season and give him another shot at the 5th starter spot next spring. I'm not really complaining about any of the above by the way. The contract is what it is, and while Zito has any kind of value at all, even if it's as a long reliever and reserve 5th starter, the Giants might as well make use of it.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

IIRC, his ZiPS has him right around a 90 ERA+ -- of course ZiPS doesn't know everything, but that's kind of heartening. I do think the Giants are approaching something of a crossroads with Zito.