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I think it's time for Lincecum to shave his head!

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

Surely Tim was not happy with his run support--he never complained, and I can remember him saying post game once "I bat; I could have helped myself" But how many 13-14 pitchers get $40MM deals? Tim has been reinforced that he will be compensated for what he does on the mound not what the scoreboard reads. I think Tim has fully demonstrated that he is about the team winning. The next two years will allow the Giants to demonstrate they are committed to that. Although I am equally disappointed the Giants did not do more to bolster their offense, I believe their run production will see a spike in 2012 and Tim will be partially the benefactor of this--but this is for another long response. I believe if the Giants Win, Timmy is Happy. These are the known facts--now lets see how the judges score me.

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

This was the right deal for right now--there is only one St. Jared Weaver! Everybody else is human and wants to maximize what they can earn for their toils--even if the sums are outlandish by the measure of most. Tim will earn the same $40 MM he would have earned in the first two years of a longer term deal, but the market is sure to shift even more in the next two years--he and his representatives are rolling the dice that A) Tim, at the tail end of his pitching prime, we continue the stellar pitching aided a bit by a nice pitchers park and B) Doing so with out any major or catastrophic injury. Then he gets to throw his wares out there for everybody (well, three or four good teams) to bid and let the Giants decide if they wish to match--no hometown discount; no commitments--just fair bargaining. As Chris Lincecum stated: "It will be up to the Giants" at that point. Makes absolute lot of sense to me--more than the HOF or Seattle propositions do

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

Now, today (9/26) Tim Lincecum's father Chris Lincecum was interviewed on KNBR. I don't think there is anybody closer to Tim than his dad. Chris Lincecum said Tim loves San Francisco, ATT, the fan support, his teammates and especially this coaching staff. See the pattern? He added that Tim especially appreciates the fan support and discribed how "the ground shook" when he was on the field as Tim was presented his second Cy Young Award. Then Chris buttressed the first point of this piece when he said Tim would be crazy not to maximize his earning potential, and he felt this deal best allowed for that to happen. He also echoed the sentiments of Tim's represetatives that this deal did not close the door on a longer term deal with San Francisco--just not now. Last and certainly not least, Chris mentioned Tim does not like hot weather cities--boy that cut out a helluva lot of places,huh?

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

Tim Flannery was on KNBR yesterday (9/25) and of course the subject of the more famous Tim came up. The less famous Tim works with Tim Lincecum, hangs out with Tim Lincecum and travels seven to eight months a year with Tim Lincecum. The less famous Tim said Tim Lincecum loves San Francisco, ATT, the fan support, his teammates and especially this coaching staff. A key for me: the less famous Tim said Tim Lincecum was especially taken by fan support in August 2010 when he had probably his worst month as a Major Leaguer. What does San Francisco offer that probably no other of the major league cities offers? We have demonstrated that we allow Tim Lincecum to fail. Try failing in New York! Closer to home--see what happens when Barry Zito fails. I think we can all agree Tim is not that personality. After baseball and maybe golf, his favorite thing to do is play Video Games--he's just a kid--and it does not appear he is all too much in a hurry to grow up. Not only do we in San Francico accept that--We love that about him! He's a goofy kid that yells "*uc* Yeah" during interviews.

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

I, on the other hand, not always that smart choose the less traveled path of salient facts: Tim Lincecum has said that he loves San Francisco. Tim Lincecum has said he loves ATT, the fan support, his teammates and especially this coaching staff. Tim Lincecum has said he feels much more comfortable pitching and performing under shorter term contracts. Forty Million Bucks is whole hell of a lot of money and just about anybody at his stage of life not named Terrell Owens can live out the remainder of his life on that. Timmy is pretty much known for not living too lavish a lifestyle (stated as much by Chris Lincecum) and best we know is not (yet) paying any child support. I firmly believe Tim could comfortably pitch the next two seasons, retire and hang out with Ricky Williams--not likely--but could. Tim Lincecum has never addressed to my kowledge Cooperstown or desires to do anything other than live part-time and flirt up girls in Seattle.

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

I am going to file this under "Knew It Was Coming" I very much enjoyed reading the article and the comments were an added bonus. I think you could have built a good and reasonable piece on Item 1 and discarded any thoughts of Items 2 (Silly) and 3 (Sillier) I firmly believe Mind Reading Tim Lincecum needs to be an Olympic Sport--complete with dolled up judges and of course a very complicated and arcane scoring system. Maybe it could be fluffed up a bit to better resemble Dancing With The Stars or American Idol. It would actually make a helluva lot more sense than the current state of voluminous conjectures by crazed Timmy Giant Fans It seems the mulitude of concerned among the Giant gaggle have taken up clairvoyance as a daily hobby. I, having dated a good number of women, know the impossibility and more so the lunacy of such actions.

RoneFace
RoneFace

I think you're right on the money with option 1 but you're leaving out an important part: it's easier to reach the Hall of Fame, with or without wins, when you play on the east coast. If Curt Schilling had played his entire career in Arizona (for example), and never had a bloody sock in the playoffs against the Yankees, do you really think there'd be a huge push to call him a Hall of Famer or would be be getting the "Hall of Very Good" treatment? The problem for the Giants here is twofold: 1. They've made it very clear in public statements that keeping Lincecum and Cain longterm is the priority and have essentially given away whatever leverage they may have had. 2. They've made some awful decisions in the past that have left Lincecum and Cain with a lineup that doesn't score any runs, and playing with a guy who makes $19 million to be a AAAA pitcher. If Zito is worth $19 million, how do the Giants tell Lincecum he's only worth $20 million? Or tell Cain he's actually worth less? The Giants have a very clear weakness and this offseason they opted to pad the rainy day fund rather than address it head on. Instead of bringing in any real talent they're pinning their hopes on Angel Pagan, Melky Cabrera, a return to health for Buster Posey, and the continued health of Lincecum, Cain, and Bumgarner. That's not a lot of room for error and not a lot of reason for either pitcher to WANT to stay long term, not when they can make more money and have a better chance to win if they make themselves available to the biggest spenders in baseball (NYY, BOS, CHC) who, it's worth mentioning, are all pitching starved. What happens if, a year from now, it's become clear that Lincecum is not interested in signing an extension prior to hitting free agency and the Giants offense is still less than mediocre? Would the Giants trade him? The last time the Giants lost a super star player it led to the Zito and Rowand deals. Just sayin.

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

Altho the Giants have failed to drastically improve their offense, I think it is very reasonable to believe it will be better--even much better than last year simply because it was that bad. Again, I think Tim will look at the team's overall chance of winning versus his own personal success. It's impossible to either predict what the team will look like or even the direction it is moving in two years down the line. What we do know is Tim Lincecum should be pitching in San Francisco the next two seasons. One thing we can agree, is the Giants are a top-notch business organization that budgets itself to make a tidy profit with hopes of winning as oppsed to the other way around. Still, this does leave room for the 8th highest payroll in baseball--and a lot of loot for an organization to smartly build a winner and a team folk will toss money at to come see play.

RoneFace
RoneFace

I hate the "8th highest payroll in baseball" argument. Yes they are 8th highest but have you looked at the actual numbers? the Phillies are in a comparable market and a comparable stadium and spend $50 million more. $50 million! The Giants could add Pujols AND Fielder for that much money. So while the Giants do have the 8th highest payroll they are about as close to last as they are to first, and I'm not sure that's something I would be as proud of as they always are.

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

Again, there is no fathomable reason to believe Tim is even thinking HOF. I seem to think most players that do make the HOF usually say they don't think about it until their playing days are over. Barry Bonds is probably thinking about the HOF--Tim Lincecum probably not--I bet he can't even point out Cooperstown on a map!

Robert Haymond
Robert Haymond

It does not make sense, Rory, to entertain the submission that Tim wants to pitch for Seattle. Why would he go from one team which fails to score runs for him to another which will also fail. No, the situation is pretty clear: Signing a contract for two years leaves Tim the option of signing for a team other than the Giants which will get in sufficient runs to win ball games. And, as you suggest, he possesses faith in himself. He believes that he will continue to be healthy without arm trouble after the next two years. It's a calculated risk but, what with a mega contract of two years, he'll never, never, be hurting, economically speaking. No, neither he, nor Matt Cain, want to discourage other (run producing) teams from contracting their (respective) services. And who can blame them? The Giants are a first class organization with first class fans supporting it with a small town mentality. The Giants will never be a first class run producing team because they simply wish to divide all the huge proceeds amongst the shareholders and, as a result, always fail to bid sufficiently on first class players.

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

I think the run support theory is a figment of Giant Fans imaginations and based on their own frustrations Never has Tim or Matt or Madison ever indicated this was an issue. I think what has been publicy said is that Tim wants to pitch for a winning team--of course this would assume more runs; Tim wants to be comfortable where he is pitching (meaning NO WAY to NY or Philadelphia--and both are sticky hot in the summertime) and it seems there is has been an abundance of mentions that Tim is very happy with the current coaching staff. I think it is very easy to deduce that Tim wants to pitch where he can win, be comfortable--including onfield management--and make the most possible moolah accomplishing the first two. I think the suggestion that the new Dodger ownership--whoever that may be-- might target him is reltively intriguing! Scary, but intriguing!

Robert Haymond
Robert Haymond

Well, Paul, you've proved my point, thank you. Tim wants to pitch where he can win and it's very hard to win when insufficient (supporting) runs are produced. So if it's too humid in New York or Philadephia, that still leaves about twenty sites available. The Dodgers might "target" him but they are not now a winning team. But there will be a "winning" team or one that's on the verge of winning which will target him. The Giants will lose both Timmy and Matt Cain because of their small-town attitude and penny-pinching behaviour. And the Giants will deserve to lose them as well. "Nuff said.

Damon
Damon

"Cain and Lincecum to play for the Giants forever, that they’ll someday both retire the same year and five years later enter the Coop as best pals, each wearing a Giants cap." I know what I'm going to be dreaming about tonight. God help the soul who chooses to wake me from this fantasy- you're getting stabbed in the face.

rog61
rog61

Was there a poll? Heart! Heart! Heart!

Kevin
Kevin

I think without a doubt Timmy is going with option 1. I also think that when Matt Cain's agent read that the Giants think they'll get a Weaver style deal he just laughed and shook his head.

Fireplace TV
Fireplace TV

Coming up near the start of Barry Zito's contract, I wonder if Zito's experience trying to live up to his contract has had any influence on Lincecum's preference for a short term deal. He seems like he might be down-to-earth enough that maximizing his dollar earnings might not be his top priority, and that he could be the type that would consider whether or not he wants the added pressure and distraction of having to live up to his own mega-contract.

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

This is the Larry Krugar theory--but really what evidence is there to this?