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Dave Smith
Dave Smith

Why would the Giants pay for an aging bat when they have a great fielder ?

Art Vandalay Jr.
Art Vandalay Jr.

Rollins does not deserve the deal that he wants. As a Phils fan, his best years are behind him. He will be on the DL for 1 total season of those 5! Factor that in Jimmy! 20 games one year, 25 another etc...

marc
marc

I'm feeling better about the Coco Crisp idea every day.... I also strongly agree with Shankbone... one really has to use a rolling average. I do understand that the point of the post is that signing Reyes is within the realm of consideration. But the baseline really should be lower, and, the injury risk.. I'd call years where he wouldn't miss a chunk of time the exception. Aging speedsters make me nervous. Gotta watch out for the winner's curse with high profile free-agents. He'll get his $14M for 5 years, just like Beltran will. They're just not worth it.

JMichael
JMichael

Personally I don't think the Giants NEED five years of a Rollins. They have three good SS working their way through the system and I think there is a reasonable expectation that one of them will provide benefits at SS in the near future far above what it would cost to keep Rollins for five years. If what we're looking in getting Rollins is a bat...a LEADOFF bat...and a glove at SS, I suggest this: Coco Crisp to play CF and lead off and Josh Willingham as a middle of the order bat. I would bet we could get both for that $14m and not have to go above 2 years each. That gives us time to let Adrianza/Panik/Crawford develop AND for Gary Brown/Peguero to develop without sinking the team into a five year contract with Rollins. Next season's SS position can be filled by either Crawford or some one year rental. It wouldn't matter a bit if that bat were pretty worthless. They would be batting 8th in this lineup: Crisp/Sanchez/Posey/Panda/Willingham/Huff-Belt-Pill/Schierholtz. If they even bat .225, so be it. If they do better than that...whipped cream and cherry on top.

Curtis
Curtis

Jimmy Rollins' lifetime OPS is 50 points higher at home in that little league park. I can't see Rollins hitting more than 10 HRs if he played at AT & T next year. The Giants need patience at the plate and HRs more than anything else. This would be disasterous if they committed to Rollins. His career OB% on the road is only .322 - in NO WAY is this lead off material. Then add the fact that he's declining and would be moving to a pitcher's park. Sadly, I think I'd rather they sign Alex Gonzalez so at least they don't tie up a bunch of money. Simple rule of thumb GMs should live by: Never sign a hitter coming from Texas, Philly or Colorado, unless you don't mind overpaying for inflated stats. See Aaron Rowand and Jayson Werth.

mike
mike

Small correction and a question: you took away .7 rather than .5 for his 33 year, so WAR should be (3.2, 2.7, 2.0, 1.3, 0.6), giving 9.8 war over 5 seasons and making the deal a pretty good one: paying $5.1M/win rather than the $5.6M/win you imply to be the "value" of a player. And the related question is where the $5.6M/win number comes from? Is the market on players efficient enough to speak about fair value?

Harry's Kid
Harry's Kid

Can't see a five year deal period. Giants have been burned enough from outsiders on long term deals. Crawford's glove speaks for itself. He has more than a clue at the plate and it will be interesting to see how he does in AZL thins year. And there's Joe Panic. Hit a ton in rookie ball, league MVP. Lets see what he does in AZL. Not a stretch whatsoever to see either emerge as legit, solid ss's by '13. A Scutaro, Furcal type stop-gap far more preferable than a 5 year deal for a guy whose legs have clearly regressed.

Shankbone
Shankbone

Fangraphs has a last 3 years of WAR at 3.8/2.5/3.0 for a rolling average of 9.3/3 or 3.1. Baseball Ref has 3 yrs at 3.7/2.0/0.9 for 6.6/3 or 2.2. Given the chance this might be a contract year bump, maybe starting the baseline a little lower? I can't see him getting to his previous heights, but maybe he maintains better than most. The $12MM a season should be reachable for him, or at least 10MM. Don't know about the years. That $50MM number maybe what Sabean would have to pay to outbid the Phils, I can see Amaro Jr ponying up 3/36. If Rollins keeps up his tweets/comments and they fall to the Cards, maybe that changes things. I have enjoyed his dissing Jose Reyes though.

lasttraintoyuma
lasttraintoyuma

Interesting take on Rollins - thanks for the breakdown. Even at $12-14 million a season, he wouldn't cripple the Giants' ability to pay Cain / Lincecum. My question is whether the Giants believe Adrianza is going to be a capable big leaguer and when that might happen (2013, 2014?). Five years of Rollins doesn't make a lot of sense to me if Adrianza will be the SS in two. If that's the case, I'd rather spend any available money on OF help and find a Scutaro-type player or just roll with Fontenot/Crawford until Adrianza is ready.

Sam
Sam

Adrianza can't hit. End of story. He's basically another Crawford, but probably with less pop on his bat.

Liem
Liem

I agree that this deal would make signing Lincecum and Cain (and the rest of the hoe grown talent for that matter) impossible. The problem isn't the $12 million per year, but the 4-5 five year commitment. The Giants are depending on the Rowand and Zito's contracts to expire in the next few seasons in order to free up enough money to sign the players coming into arbitration and free agency. Devoting up to ~$60 million to an aging player would not help the cause.

LeviDavis
LeviDavis

$50 million would be great, but the number I've heard floating around is $12-14 million a season. Add the value of a lost first-round pick (assuming compensation is not eliminated), and it starts to look worse to my eyes.