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PaulHeally
PaulHeally

I am happy Belt has made the commitment of Winter Ball--especially considering The Club's--and more specifically botch's lack of commitment to him. He needs to see Major League Level pitching on a consistent basis to ensure his development of what should be a Solid Major League Offensive player. He already has demonstatrated very good strike zone judgement and plate discipline--not so easily found n a player of his experience--as of about a week ago, Belt was third among NL Rookies in walk percentage--something that seems to have gone OVER the heads of the Offensive Simpletons in the Giant Dugout and possibly even the Executive Offices. This was a wonderful article, and I appreciate the opportunity to read and comment--Thank You~~~~Paul

PaulHeally
PaulHeally

I personally think the thrust of this article is completely--or at the very least partially--wrong--as the author suggests, I have been reading consistently that Brandon Belt has trouble hitting breaking pitches. Based on the excellent data the author provided, Belt is missing at aprox 10% greater rate than the average MLBer based on a statitically insignificant sample of 65 pitches (I wonder if this rate is effected either by league or park factors). Based on "the Giants nearly criminal mismanagement of the young prospect" ( I have used nearly these exact words--so LOVE this), his inexperience and status as a power hitter, I see nothing wrong statistically with Brandon Belt's ability to hit a curve ball.

Backseat GM
Backseat GM

Belt needs to back off the plate. The pitchers clearly are jamming him inside. If Belt can go to left field when pitches are over the outside corner, he'll do fine. But he is too tight to the plate now and is popping up too many inside pitches or just plain missing them. Occasionally he'll hit one, but not enough to keep him above .230 to .240. At his height, he is naturally vulnerable to getting jammed. He will make the adjustment and become an all-star.

Liem
Liem

I've also noticed that Belt stands near the front of the batter' box. Moving further back (away from the pitcher) in the box might give him a better chance to hit inside pitches and allow him to read the break. Chris, Is there anyway of showing us where Belt's swings are relative to the swung-at-and-missed-pitches? If I'm correct, we should see that Belt is swinging just above the path of the ball, instead of being out in front.

Ballinplay
Ballinplay

Backseat GM I absolutely agree with you about this, yet I wonder if the Giants hitting coach, any teammate(s), or Belt himself are aware, as he does continue to stand fairly close to the plate on every at bat.

stargate5
stargate5

Belt is not a major leagure hitter yet so the G's should let him play a full season at Fresno. Do not bring him up.

Squire
Squire

And you know this, how? Saying "Belt is not a major leagure [sic] yet" is a lovely conclusion, but where's some rationale to back that up?

marc
marc

Yeah, I have to wonder about the up-and-down with Belt. Age/experience aside, I sometimes think prospects get turned into AAAA players - i.e. Belt would indeed be more aggressive on fastballs in Fresno (as suggested), have huge success, but it won't help the actual breaking ball problem at all. For his development, he really should have stayed in SF or Fresno all year, playing every day, as opposed to trying to "tweak" him. He seems like a smart guy and has a lot of natural ability. Hindsight, of course, but in the end he probably would have hit better than some combination of ABs from Huff/Ross/Torres. And at this point, I too really see no difference between, say, Crawford and Cabrera at short. As above, there really wasn't much difference in the first place anyway. Bad to see the team (Bochy, Sabean) seemingly potentially getting into his head when the alternatives are journeymen where the upside/downside is pretty well known.

chris
chris

No difference between Crawford and Cabrera at short? Hmmm. Crawford can field the ball, that's a difference.

@rog61
@rog61

I also think this sheds some light on the whispers you hear that organization wants Belt to be more aggressive (ie swing when he gets a fastball so he doesn't put himself into a position where a breaking ball can put him away), but again, that's a short-term strategy. Long term it's obviously better to have a batter who makes pitchers throw pitches, who's not afraid to hit deep in the count, who draws walks and hits dingerz. But again you just have to be willing to live through some of these young player adjustments in order to get to that long-term value. I still say the first bad step they took was bringing Brandon north on Opening Day. In only his second pro season, a full year in Fresno might have helped with this issue, and certainly what happened instead hasn't helped at all.

@rog61
@rog61

Thanks Chris, that's really interesting. I think you're right that this is just Belt's natural major league learning curve and he mostly needs to see good breaking balls in order to learn how to adjust to them. On the one hand, I suppose you can understand why a team that wants to compete for a championship would be loathe to live through the rookie adjustment period, it certainly looks to be bad long-term strategy.

Tim Mosher
Tim Mosher

Exactly right. Why bother to properly develop promising system assets when there are all of those broken down , washed up 30 + yr olds just there for the taking at boom time prices ! The Sabean model will never again , in his lifetime return the same results that he achieved from " The Miracle on Grass 2010 ". Old " Slow Draw Mc Botchy " will also never acquiesce to this changing paradigm. Quite a conundrum really given that all other MLB related experts identify the Sabean Template as " hysterical ". But you still can't take 2010 away from these 2.

@rog61
@rog61

I should say that I think they're in a good position to put together a good and competitive roster for 2012-13. A lot of things went wrong this year, but a Panda/Posey and hopefully Belt middle of the order is a nice young core to build on. I'd be happy if they could find a way to keep Beltran, and I'd be over the moon if they could bring a real SS aboard. But it's worth realizing that they have good things to build on (of course, so do the Dodgers and Arizona, both of which I'd expect to be better next year).

campanari
campanari

I believe that Bochy has been quite explicit about this, citing the example of Justin Christian in the winter leagues.,

Squire
Squire

I hope more playing time this month and Winter Ball does the trick, because he is one of the keys to the Giants' offensive future.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I meant to add this to the main post, but I think this is probably one of the reasons why the Giants want to send Belt to the Dominican Winter League. The winter leagues have a reputation of being leagues where pitchers throw a ton of breaking balls and it could do Belt some good to get more PT in that environment.