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matt2
matt2

3 Games. 3 games where we win and the Diamondbacks lose. I think we can get that before the series with them. Then an unlikely sweep and we're tied. Hey, remember we were back from the padres too last year. It's not that likely, but I fell deeply in love with the giants for one reason last year: they were impractical, ridiculous, and full of heart and effort. Go balls out. Why the fuck not? Sure, rest the pitchers a little more than you would (i.e. don't put Bumgarner in for the 9th) but hell the diamondbacks just might start choking. As a colorado resident (but not a rockies fan don't worry) I will be going to the game tonight screaming against those damn snakes. Let's stop thinking like intelligent baseball guys and start acting like Giants fans again.

Greyboy67
Greyboy67

Pointless? What about throwing the obviously still injured Sergio Romo out there? That made me cringe. This season is a lost cause. Let's save those arms and start thinking about next year. I do think you keep Kippinger around despite his limited range. It's fun to see Beltran finally deliver but he's showcasing his talents for another team. Surkamp, Christian, and Pill had nice games against the Padres, but I don't see any of them being factors next season.

Matt
Matt

I cringed when they brought Bumgarner out for the ninth today. Completely pointless and irresponsible. I get that he wanted to go out there and complete things, but there was no value in that for the present and it puts unnecessary mileage on his arm for the future.

seeingwhatsticks
seeingwhatsticks

I basically agree with everything you're saying. Crawford and Belt need to play every day, with Belt playing OF since there's almost no chance Huff is moved in the offseason. Pill needs to get regular playing time to determine if his bat can play at the MLB level so that spring training can be dedicated to figuring out whether he can play 2B or OF because, as mentioned above, Huff is unlikely to be going anywhere this winter. I'd also love to see Hector Sanchez get 5-7 games in a row to work with the pitchers and see what he can do with the bat. There's almost no chance Bochy will be comfortable with this, or with Sanchez serving as the only Posey insurance next season, but if his bat plays and he's not a total disaster defensively he could be a big improvement over Whiteside and Stewart at a position. Backup catcher is going to be a more important position than usual next year and it would definitely be in the Giants best interests to know if Sanchez can fill that role heading into the winter if for no other reason than to give them leverage in FA and trade talks (see 2011 SS for how lack of leverage can hurt). The one thing I'd strongly consider with the expanded rosters is starting Runzler and Surkamp and going to a modified 6 man rotation. If Runzler and Surkamp can give the Giants 5 credible innings then that would free them up to skip a start each for Cain, Bumgarner, Vogelsong, and Lincecum or at the very least give each an extra couple of days rest (especially with Bumgarner throwing 120 pitches today). The 6 man rotation idea might be more of a white flag move than the Giants are comfortable with because they tend to be completely delusional but I think it's the right way to go if you're looking at 2012, 2013, 2014, etc.

wanderingwonk
wanderingwonk

Tell Huff to take the rest of the season off, think about whether his heart's really in the game and start getting in better shape for next season. I'm inclined to give him a shot next year, given his penchant for alternating good and bad years, but he hasn't added anything to the Giants this year despite being given more than enough chances to figure things out. At this point, even if he figures things out in the last week, it's too late to do any good and I'd rather have him come back next year knowing that Belt/Pill/et al. are breathing down his neck.

bballog
bballog

throw in the towel for 2011, see what you got in these youngsters and prep for next year which minus injuries, looks to be a better team overall considering the youth of the already solid pitching staff.

baseballmonk
baseballmonk

Like the list. I think Torres needs to play every day to help the team what to decide to do about him and lead off heading in to 2012.

tad
tad

I hope Bochy is secure enough in his job to do what you suggest, because I completely agree. As a matter of fact, I'd go into full-on next year mode immediately and empty the bench. It would be different if we'd just hit a temporary rough patch, but our hitting has sucked all year, so why not try some of the kids?

Squire
Squire

I agree with everything you have suggested--its logical and would give the FO an idea of what they're offseason priorities are. Unfortunately, the Giants' FO seems to be weak at building for the future (at least from a lineup standpoint). Strikeouts or no strikeouts, Belt needs to be out there every day--the Giants need to see if he is ready for a full-time spot next year. My fear is that the Giants will handle Belt like they did Schierholtz: they'll never really stick him in the lineup and see what he can do (although, Belt is a much better prospect than Schierholtz ever was). Belt and Posey's recovery are the two biggest keys to the Giants future. The Giants other priorities are simple: (1) protect their number 1 strength--the pitchers--and (2) find out what they have in some of the young hitters so they know which holes need to be filled first. Oh, and the Giants need to try to give Beltran a good last impression. I'd like to see the Giants re-sign him, but the way the season has gone so far, the Giants haven't given him any reason to stick around. He needs to be shown that the Giants can still win, and that with his help (and some health and key acquisitions), the Giants can compete with the best in the league, something I was never confident of even when the Giants were leading their division.

DuncanfromGlenhaven
DuncanfromGlenhaven

i agree with all of these points from Squire. i think the biggest priority is actually sorting out SS. as currently stands, the last two seasons we have seen renterria/uribe and now tejada/cabrera. one year was obviously spectacularly successful in performing against expectation, one year not so much. in crawford we have supposedly a plus fielder and a below average hitter. our other current options are below average in every way, so why not give the kid a protracted run? i note chris' comments that he hasn't necessarily improved at fresno and could again be overpowered at the plate, however to me there is little downside in giving him the experience. question: has any giants hitter looked as good as beltran did in the diamondbacks series, since a certain b bonds? sure, he's fragile and not renowned for being the mentally toughest but he is a legitimately scary hitter. that would be nice to have going forward ...

Robert Haymond
Robert Haymond

Many good points in this and other comments. I would add that the way to keep excellent ballplayers around on this team is to show them that you're serious about next year and the year after. What would it take? Signing Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder and/or any other good hitters who may be ready to contract another club. Will the Giants do it? Probably not. Got burnt on Barry Zito and the brass don't need to. Fans just keep puring into the park no matter what the quality f the team. That's depressing.

RIO
RIO

They should definitely give some of the younger bats a shot. Gary Brown, Crawford, Belt...

jake
jake

agree with everything you said. what do they stand to gain by continuing to trot out keppy, burrell and whitey? and yes, back off the pitchers too. Let's gear up for 2012 and more importantly 2013. There's no shame in that

yogiberra
yogiberra

I just realized the obvious remedy to the Baseball Torture, that we, of San Francisco, have been subjected to, since the All-Star Break! Had we been rooting for the Diamondbacks, since then, we would have felt unbelievable Self-Satisfaction.... Still, I wonder about Bochy's ability to write a competent lineup-card. I mean against a right-handed pitcher, why bat 7 right-handed batters???

HeHitsItDeeeep
HeHitsItDeeeep

You can play Pill, Belt, Crawford and Surkamp and still play to win. The bats that we've been employing haven't been working since that sweep by the Reds in late-July and really what does the team have to lose? They're playing sub-.500 teams (save the 3 with the DBacks later on) who are out of it as well. Don't have to play the callups everyday, but while our playoff odds are low, give them a chance to do something... and if they don't, it's not like the veterans can say they've done better in the past month.

@rog61
@rog61

Chris can you make a heat chart for Belt based on pitch type? My feeling watching him over the last few weeks is that he's really been getting beat by good velocity. He's had a few putaway swings and misses on hard breaking balls to the back foot, but the biggest problem I've been seeing is getting into pitcher's counts because he hasn't been able to square up (or catch up to) good fastballs. I just wonder if I'm seeing things or if that's really been an issue.

Guest
Guest

ESPN puts their chances of making the playoffs at 1.2% now, much lower than the figure you cited from B.P.

Sam
Sam

BP hasn't believed in the D-backs all season. I think there's something legitimately changed about them. Right now I have the Giants chances at a cool 0.0%. Anyway, if I were the Giants I'd basically wrap the starters in bubble wrap. None of them are in the Cy Young race, so there's no need to pad stats - I'd mostly be limiting them to 80-90 pitches a game. I'd play all the young guys, and see what we've got for next year, because at this point, this year's over.

@rog61
@rog61

No doubt based on a phone in poll of Sportscenter viewers.

marc
marc

I'm a pollyanna, so I am still holding out hope. That said, agreed with all - Have Belt play every day, rest all the starters as much as possible, play the rookies. For age-decline reasons, the Giants have a lot of question marks in the starting lineup, it'd be good to know what to go after this off-season.