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Tim
Tim

Can someone in the know answer this - why do Kruk and Kuip never criticize players and Bochy's/Sabean's decisions? I know they both got WS rings so is it that they are technically employees of the Giants and therefore can't be too opinionated? As much as I like their commentary it makes me cringe when they say another good AB by Rowand etc when he strikeouts/fails yet again. Also I realise I am posting this in-game but why would Bochy ever put Fontenot behind Stewart in the line-up? It is not even for a righty-lefty balance as Tejada is in front of Stewart. The more this season goes on the more I believe last season was a miracle with Sabean and Bochy in charge.

Curtis
Curtis

And as far as being proud... Sabean can be proud all he wants, I'm just saying, give Billy Beane or Andrew Friedman Barry Bonds in his prime and 100 million+ to spend, they'll most likely get to the playoffs more than 4 times in 14 years.

@Eddie_Mar
@Eddie_Mar

So, w/the Cubs saying good-bye to their longest tenured GM ever (who is old school like Sabean), does it encourage Giants brass to "sack up"? Or, at the very least, pause and give it some serious thought?

Curtis
Curtis

I'm pretty confident that most GMs would have had the same success, if not better than Sabean over the last 17,18 years. After all, he inherited the best player of all time. The Pirates dominated and made the playoffs every year Bonds was good, and they had half the budget of the Giants, in a pre wild card era. Here are the top 8 highest payroll teams: Yanks, Boston, Cubs, Mets, Angels, White Sox, Phillies & Giants. 6 of those 8 have won a ring in just the last 10 years. It's more of a failure not to, than an accomplishment to have. I wouldn't be too proud of my resume if I were Sabean. 1 title in 17 years with Babe Ruth 2.0 and one of the highest budgets year in and year out... meh. I guess we can be happy we're not the Cubs or Mets.

Doc
Doc

By that logic only the Yankees, Red Sox and Marlins should really be proud of what they've done.

Damon Tordini
Damon Tordini

Could be some spurrious results there. Doesn't it make more sense that those teams have higher payrolls BECAUSE they won the world series, and had the revenue and/or will power to take on bigger contracts?

Curtis
Curtis

The standings affect a team's payroll somewhat, but it's the owner/city/fan base/tv deals that primarily set the standard - especially over a long period of time, seasonal spikes do happen with small market teams. Two years ago, the Giants were awful and hadn't had a playoff appearance since 2003, yet their payroll was still top 10. Cubs and Mets, awful every year, but their payroll is always top 10. Rays have been great four years in a row now but will never be near the top 10.

Doc
Doc

Just playing a little devil's advocate here, not that I truly believe this. But lets step back for a second and remember that Sabean and Bochy were instrumental in the Giants winning the whole thing last year. As informative and useful as numbers are, baseball instincts still have a place in the game and if Bochy for instance doesn't want to sacrifice, then you know what, I'll stand behind that since he's clearly forgotten more baseball than any of us will ever know. Seems silly in hindsight for sure, but we can't all just forget how masterful Bochy has been in his handling of that team. As for Sabean, again, it is frustrating that he seems so closed-minded in his approach. But you can't deny the results overall, bad contracts aside. I guess I just find it hard to criticize less than a year after the greatest moment of my sports-watching life ;)

sambizzii
sambizzii

Bochy was great in sept. and the playoffs last year ,but mostly because he managed differently than he usually does(more aggressive and played the right players). Bochy is having a bad year along with the players. Actually he has had bad 5 years. Since he came over the offense has been terrible because of his American League wait for the 3 run homer mentality. This is the NL you have to manufacture runs also. Especially when you dont have a good line-up. Last year the offense was crappy also until sabean finally went out and got some guys with some pop (burrell, ross, guillen). The pitchers won the series for us last year with the best performance in history not bochy. Im sick of him getting labeled a genius.

Josh
Josh

Wait... Are you saying there is a first baseman out there who hits worse than Huff?

Sean
Sean

Judging by that last at-bat in the game last night against Kimbrel, that seems impossible...

Jon
Jon

Orlando Cabrera batting second in last nights line up.... that left me stunned. Surely Belt is better than Rowland at lest belt can work the count and get more walks.

Sleepless in SF
Sleepless in SF

Here's a stunning revelation! Bat Schierholtz #2! He's the best hitter on the team other than Pablo. You got a Right, Left combo in him and Ross off the bat with the switch-hitting Panda behind them. Good speed - low strikeouts. It makes too much sense. At least then, that MAYBE there is some modicum of "professional hitters" in the lineup for like 3 batters in a row. Why not Boch? Hell - he's even bat Crawford there at one point! Someone tell me I am wrong here....please.....

Sarah
Sarah

Too much good design right there. Sorry. Remember when Nate was killing it in the clean up spot? Yeah, let's bat that hitter 7th and keep Huff at clean up.

Sarah
Sarah

Working the count is (apparently) against the rules. Put the ball in play, so it can become an out!

Jon
Jon

oops sorry about that I am new to baseball still getting to grips with all the rules

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

One more thing, from Baggs' post-game wrap on his blog, a Bochy quote on Cabrera and if he should have sacrificed Ross over to 3B a couple of times: “Well, you give me a situation and I’ll tell you whether I like to (sacrifice) or not,” Bochy said. “In that situation, no, because I’ve got a professional hitter up there.” Orlando Cabrera, Professional Hitter.

Rory Paap
Rory Paap

Read it, was apalled. I mentioned this on Twitter as well: The problems the Giants are having are BOTH about injuries AND poor design, despite Baggs' opinion. When you have both Orlando Cabrera and Miguel Tejada in your lineup and you're calling them "professional hitters," this cannot be argued.

Sarah
Sarah

True statement. Poor design indeed. First in signing both of them (I know the SS market was thin, but really?) and then letting them bat 2nd? Eeesh. Crawford might not be much of a hitter, but at least he can play the field.

Curtis
Curtis

Bochy forgot to say that's he's "gritty" and a "gamer" and that he "plays the game the way it was meant to be played."

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I keep wanting to write things about this offense because it's just-so-bad, but I think I'm running out of things to say. I will say this: I think last night's lineup was one of the worst Giants' lineups that I've seen in awhile.

Curtis
Curtis

As far as offense, I know Sabean prides himself by not believing in saber-metrics, youth or logic, and is so stubborn he'll never change? But how low do you have to sink before you get the boot? Even my 10 year old nephew scratched his head when they acquired Cabrera and saw his age/stats. In the Sabean era, is Pablo Sandoval the only hitter to come through our farm system and make an all star team? I'm pretty sure Matt Williams was the last home grown product before him. So 25 years, and the SF scouts and Sabean have only produced 1 good hitter? I admit, that's hard to do. I'm not even mad, I'm impressed. You have to be super extra horrible, and even a bit unlucky, to accomplish that. Oh, and don't try to tell me that Marvin Bernard and Pedro Feliz were good.

peter
peter

buster posey is and will be great for the next 10 years. so 2 great hitters

james
james

buster posey ring a bell???