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@GiantsNirvana
@GiantsNirvana

I think Bumgarner's K/BB numbers are even *more* impressive than his already-impressive ERA+. Not 100% sure, but I think this ranks as ...like, the 2nd-best single-season K/BB posted by a starter of Bumgarner's age.

marc
marc

Yeah... well, we tend to recognize more of the names because they started out so well. The Sandy Koufax example, if he had pitched ten more years and gone 10-10 every year with average everything what would we think. Agree with Breeze, though, he looks like one to keep - incidentally, I'd let Lincecum go first. He's great now, but he is still an injury waiting to happen (his back, I think) and not sure how good he would be if he had to drop his current delivery. Cain seems like a horse too. But who knows.

LeviDavis
LeviDavis

I love Bumgarner, but let's not get crazy; some players just peak early. He may get a little better, but this may be about it, which is already a great player. To steal Grant Brisbee's example, just because Cliff Lee at the same age was pitching in A ball, doesn't meant that Bumgarner will improve the same proportionate amount and become Cy Young incarnate by the time he hits 28.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

>> you can’t extrapolate careers from early success. Nothing I disagree with in your statement. It's hard to say how good he'll end up being, or if this is as good as he'll ever get, but you've got to like the company he's in right now. He's really boosted his strikeout-rate this year without sacrificing his walk-rate. That bodes well, I think, for his development as a pitcher.

LeviDavis
LeviDavis

I do like the company he is in (notable flameouts on the list aside). It just gets my hackles up when I hear the "He's better than Greg Maddux was at the same age, therefore he will have a better career." (Not this particular blog posting, just generic stawmen who say that)

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Yup, pitchers are fickle creatures, prone to all sorts of stuff that stops a career from developing.

Breeze
Breeze

Somehow, I just don't have major injury concerns on MadBum. The guy is as big and strong as a horse, has a low stress delivery, doesn't depend on humping it up to 95, and has been treated with kid gloves -- pulling him after 101 pitches in 7 innings in last night's shut out, for example. If the Giants were forced to part with Lincecum, Cain, or Bumgarner due to Zito-induced salary contstraints in 2013, MadBum would be the last guy I'd let go of.

Liem
Liem

Why would the Giants need to let go of Mad Bum in 2013? He'd still be under team control and likely in his first year of arbitration.

Roger
Roger

Madison Bumgarner is 5 weeks younger than uber-prospect Matt Moore. that is all.