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Phillyboijr
Phillyboijr

Nice write up Rory. I agree with the notion that Wheeler shouldn't be viewed as some "untouchable" prospect. Now is he worth packaging in a deal to acquire B.J. Upton? I don't know. But I do know that Wheeler hasn't been exactly dominating the lower minor league the way Cain, Lincecum and Bumgarner did. While he's been K'ing hitters, he's also been walking batters at a less than desirable rate. His WHIP/ERA aren't exactly the picture of sheer dominance either. Having said all that, it goes without saying he's young and still developing. I'd be more than open to trading him for the right player.

@paapfly
@paapfly

A lot of Gonzalez's "Best season ever" has to do with playing half his games at one of the very best parks in baseball to hit, Fenway. it's been especially cozy for left-handed power hitters in the past. He has a .450 wOBA at home and a .430 average on balls in play (BABiP). That wall *is* nice. Fair enough, though, on the change in leagues and divisions and whether it'll help his line were he moved. The greater point is that he's been a pretty good player when you consider his defense, base running and ability to hit the ball over the fence in his career. Wheeler might be a better prospect than Alderson was, he might end up being quite a pitcher in the major leagues, but Upton is definitely a younger, better player with Sanchez and still has upside, despite his relatively long tenure in MLB. It's a risk. But you're not going to get anything of value back if you're not willing to give value up.

blandwilson
blandwilson

My last attempt at this comment seems to have been shot down, but I'd like to take another (shorter) shot at it. Generally, my point was that there is a risk in projecting an improved performance from a position player (namely, BJ Upton) that moves from the best division (AL East) to a weaker one (NL West). In short, it seems to me that Upton's offensive projectability is a function of particular factors -- pitching, defense, and ballpark effects -- rather than overall quality of divisions or leagues. In other words, the AL East could be way better than the NL West, but it could still be harder to hit in the NL West. If that is so (and it seems possible given the pitching talent), then Upton's playing in the toughest division is not sufficient to establish the expectation that he'll be quantitatively better in the weaker division, and, if that's so, then it should be recognized when evaluating any trade proposals. So, mostly I'm just asking if it really is harder to hit in the AL East than the NL West and, if so, why.

Kellin
Kellin

Park Factor - Tropicana Field is acknowledged as the worst (probably a push with Petco) place to hit in the league. And while the stats point towards AT&T being a tough hitters park too, the combination of HR suppressing pitching and terrible Giants hitting probably skews AT&T to be viewed worse than it actually is.

Eric Weston
Eric Weston

BA rated Wheeler as the #35 mid-season prospect.

Daniel
Daniel

Why is the American League superior? Just because ESPN (and Yankees/Redsox fans) like to think so doesn't make it so. Granted their was a stretch there you could easily make the case in the last decade. But hasn't the last few years shown the wheels have turned? The National League has won 2 out of the last 3 world series. 2 of the top pitchers in the American League Lee and Holiday are now in the national league and the senior circuit put on a beating in the all star game on its younger league. Isn't the pitching superior in the National league? And while chicks may dig the long ball, its pitching that wins championships.

Fwotyoz
Fwotyoz

I'm sure there's better ways of doing this, but just for fun: Combined NL Hitter WAR: 139.9 Average NL Hitter WAR: 1.89 Combined AL Hitter WAR: 152.7 Average AL Hitter WAR: 1.96 Combined NL Pitcher WAR: 101.6 Average NL Pitcher WAR: 1.72 Combined AL Pitcher WAR: 95.2 Average AL Pitcher WAR: 1.94 Total NL WAR: 241.5 Total AL WAR: 247.9 (using FanGraphs with default settings for eligibility) ... also Aubrey Huff is dead last in the NL among eligible players.

Curtis
Curtis

The AL should always be better in theory. They have two teams with no spending cap. Every other team in baseball has a budget. Obviously the Sox and Yanks are gonna tip the scales by hording the high priced stars. Even still, I'd take the Phillies and Braves (and probably the Giants too) any day over any AL team in the Series, especially with home field... As I think most baseball experts would that don't work at ESPN. But I really hope to see the Giants meet the Sox. I think it would be quite hilarious to see Javier Lopez come in every night to completely shutdown AGon, Ortiz and Crawford - Like he did Utley and Howard last year.

Rory
Rory

It is because it is, and it's pretty much a universally accepted fact right now. Here's the SweetSpot's take on why: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12644... I think the gap has closed some. But the AL is still better. That the NL has won two of three WS' tells us exactly nothing. The one All-star game tells us even less.

Kellin
Kellin

I've stared at this for five minutes and decided that you're kidding

LeviDavis
LeviDavis

I don't how my much potential Upton still has. I know he is still surprisingly young for a guy who has seemingly been around forever, but some guys just peak early. That being said, TINSTAAPP, right? One thing I do trust Sabean on is keeping the good pitching prospects and trading the over-rated ones (with one notable exception, he has been phenomenal at this, lest we forget how excited was all were once about Kurt Ainsworth).