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obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

I've been positive about Gary Brown since the draft. People hating on him for not walking when he's hitting over .400 is missing the point: when you hit that well, you want the guy hitting, he produces more value with his hits, even with outs in there, than he would walking. I took LW value of a composite 5 PA vs. 5 BB and the value of his hitting was greater than if he instead worked walks in those 5 PA instead. And that assumes that him working for walks would result in walks and not, say, result in one out and 4 walks. I don't know why but people totally ignored Gary Brown's freshman and sophomore seasons. If you go to Baseball Cube, you can see both his college results as well as Cape Cod results and those batting results show that when he is not hitting well, he will work for walks. As well, HBP is a big part of his game, he gets a lot of those. He appears to understand that the way he maximizes his value is by getting on base and using his speed, his OBP was high everywhere he has played, while in college, and he has been taking walks and HBP in the pros. That befits a Scott Boras client. Regarding arm strength, Minor League Baseball Analysts said that he has "ample arm strength" and Baseball America noted "his arm is nothing special, but his throws are accurate." Most reports after the draft noted that he'll be a gold glove in the OF, in any case, so even if his arm is lacking in some way, it appears his speed will get him to more balls, which is more important. Regarding power, BA said "Brown has exceptionally quick hands that allow him to turn on pitches and give him gap power." MLBA noted that he "has decent pop for size." I think that because of his extreme speed - he matches best times for reaching 1B out of the box that best left-handed hitters, with the benefit of being closer to 1B, have - while he won't have conventional power, his speed (and Death Valley) will enable him to have more doubles and triples than one would expect looking at him. Any actual power would be whip cream on top, to me, because he should be an above average hitter for BA and OBP, and among elite for stealing bases, which is what you want to see leading off, not someone with a lot of power. If he were batting 2nd or in the middle, then I would worry more about his power. That said, most prospects don't work out, they poop out, particularly in AA and AAA, so we might never see Brown in the majors. I think at minimum he'll get at least some play in the majors like prior all-glove CF prospects have for the Giants, from half to full season worth of ABs, to see what he got. Personally, I like Brown, I think he will figure things out. He has exhibited a flexibility in adjusting his hitting style to his ability to hit at that level, which is very impressive to me. Even when he was not hitting well at all in college, he worked a lot of walks and still had a good OBP. I think he's at minimum a 1+ win for defense in CF, making him a value when much of budget is devoted to our pitchers, and thus will get an extended opportunity to figure out hitting in the majors as he will be cheap and provide a lot of value through his defense. I think he will contribute enough offensively. With that jittery dance he did in college, he must have amazing eye-hand coordination and bat speed that will translate to the majors even when that stance is quieted down. What we are seeing with Darren Ford so far in the majors, speed-wise and base-running-wise, is what I think we would get from Brown when he is in the majors, and he might add one win just from his baserunning (I am thinking in terms of Net Gain in Bill James Baserunning metrics). As he will steal a lot of bases while also taking the extra base when a baserunner. Except that I think Brown will get on base, by hook or crook, unlike Ford. That plus power from Belt, Posey, and Sandoval will be a powerful offensive combination I think.

ldd233
ldd233

I like Gary Brown more than most, probably a lot more, so I will be the one to point out that five of the walks came in his first six games, four came in only two games, and he has only walked twice in his last 12 games, and not once in his last seven.

Rory Paap
Rory Paap

Watching Ford run makes me really, really, really want to believe in Gary Brown.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Gary Brown is Darren Ford + hitting abilities, hopefully.

bd80cal
bd80cal

Brown was a need pick, a stretch at best. Professional Pitchers (AAA or MLB) will knock the bat out of his hands. With MLB scouts, I watched last Wednesday's game vs a weak Inland Empire Angels club. No Angels P touched 90, with no hope of locating. Brown was HBP his first two ABs -- no message, just lousy P. Brown has zero power, not even gap to gap. Yes, he can run. But, Darren Ford runs better and neither will hit MLB pitching. Brown takes very good routes to balls in the OF. Still, his throwing arm is unimpressive and that won't improve in AT&T winds. He hit .438 at Fullerton St before the metal bats were reigned in.....again, this player will break enough bats to make fans forget Schierholtz.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I've seen Brown's arm called 'solid-average' which isn't terrible. His power is up for debate, but most seem to tag him with the phrase 'gap power'. He should get more than just a few doubles due to his speed. Your take on Brown is pretty harsh. I think he's an interesting prospect and although I wish he did certain things better (hit for power, draw walks) his package of tools is interesting.

BilliamFloyd
BilliamFloyd

Downer...bro. Don't mind the lack of power, with his speed he could potentially manufacture the occassional extra base hit in our ballpark. Essentially, we could be looking at a very poor man's Ichiro-- extremes of high contact dependent upon speed and lows in the power + BB's categories, elite defensive value + SB output, maybe 2.5 WAR projecton vs 5 WAR Ichiro-type season. Doesn't sound so bad to me...and ultimately you're not really asking Brown to do anything out of character/tool-set. I think there's moderate rationale for optimism.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

The graph really tells a story there, especially when you think a about baserunning. If Brown is +2.5 runner and a +2.5 fielder then his margin for error with the bat is pretty wide .

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Yeah, considering that Brown should profile as a very good baserunner, I thought it was a little unfair to leave out a baserunning component since it's definitely part of his value.

Rory Paap
Rory Paap

With 80 speed there's no reason he can't steal 40 bags if he gets on base a decent amount. The Giants haven't had that type of player in like... forever. That's pretty exciting stuff. Best not get ahead of ourselves, though, these prospects will break your heart.

Rory Paap
Rory Paap

Rough night in SJ for Brown -- 0-5 with the Golden Sombrero -- but I'm a believer in his tools. Goldstein had some really good things to say about Brown in Baseball Prospectus 2011, which was good to see. I'm going to try to make a San Jose game this season so I can see Wheeler and Wheels (Brown). Clever. I know.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I totally jinxed him. I like his tools (for the most part) as well. I wonder if they've calmed down his 'happy feet' hitting style in the box? I read the same stuff that KG was saying on BP a week or so ago. Basically that scouts were happy with his plate approach at the moment.