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Brandon Belt appears headed to Hollywood, not Fresno

Last night, a tweet by John Shea really sent shockwaves throughout the Giants’ fan base:

Heard management wants to keep Brandon Belt, leaning toward making him their starting first baseman. Announcement Wednesday.

At the risk of jumping the gun, I think Belt’s going to be playing in Los Angeles tomorrow. And it’s not so much the tweet by Shea, but the fact that Travis Ishikawa is playing first base today and Belt isn’t even so much as in the lineup. He has bags to pack and a plane to catch; he’s probably headed to Hollywood.

I won’t get too much into the details on what this means for the roster. Except I do think this is a farewell game for the aforementioned Ishikawa. He’s an excellent defender, a great guy, and a decent bat off the bench – assuming he’s facing a right-handed pitcher. I’ll also never forget the walk he drew in the divisional series against the Braves that keyed a Giants comeback win. Without that walk, who knows, maybe they don’t win the World Series. But with Belt now in the fold and the incumbent Aubrey Huff, this renders Ishi a superfluous commodity, and frankly one that lacked a ton of utility to begin with.

Despite the Giants’ insistence that Belt would be given a chance to compete for the nod this spring, the news probably came as a huge surprise to many. That’s simply because Giants fans have been accustomed to their front office being cautious with young players in the past, if not a bit perplexing with them. But, when a 23-year-old rookie catcher carries your team to a division crown, pennant and World Series championship – especially with his July laser show – it tends to have a dramatic impact on your management philosophy – it probably really rocked the Giants’ front office.

Me? I’m really excited about the decision. As it turns out, my appetite for competent, cheap top hitting prospects simply cannot be slaked – the considerable gap between Will Clark and players like Pablo Sandoval and Buster Posey will do that to a person. But beyond my biased, fanboy pleasure regarding this move, I have reasons to like it objectively.

There is something that gives me some reassurance in this decision, and there’s some chance it’s not what you’ve come to expect from a stats-centric blog such as this. Belt looks good. The decision seems scouting motivated, rather than by a monster spring catalyzed by a huge average on balls in play (BABiP) – so no, Huff won’t hit .369 this season. I’d have thought Belt would need to set the world on fire this spring to make the club; not so. He’s hitting .282/.338/.479 for an .817 OPS with three big flys. That’s decent, but it’s certainly not great. In fact, it’s not good for a first baseman.

The Giants must really like what they’ve seen – or, I guess an argument can be made that they’ve really not liked what they’ve seen from DeRosa, Schierholtz and Rowand. But I think it’s more likely the former. Belt’s probably shown Bochy, Sabean and the player development staff that he can: 1) hit 2) field and 3) run. He’s said to be an excellent base runner; he’s probably proved that. He’s said to be a plus fielder; he’s probably proved that. He’s said to have an excellent eye, excellent plate discipline and an ability to hit the ball with authority from pole to pole; he’s probably proved that. So oddly, the fact that his stats aren’t all that impressive is actually a comfort to me. He stands to provide value… beyond the box score.

Another one is definitely not the major league equivalent (MLE) – which has also been park-adjusted – for Brandon Belt, as provided by this newly rolled out site (a creation of one of my Hardball Times colleagues). The MLE* says his 2010 would have looked like this in San Francisco: .298/.392/.497. I’m not hanging my bells on that, but boy is it nice. Besides, I’m more expecting an Ike Davis type of rookie performance – he would have been in the Rookie of the year discussion if not for stats-greedy buggers like Posey and Jason Heyward – with excellent defense and a slash line of .264/.351/.440 and 19 home runs. That, I’ll take.

*UPDATE: The MLE was far too optimistic, which should have been expected given its audaciousness. The actual MLE slash line should be .244/.329/.406. If you chose to allow it to further your optimism, shame on you; I told you not to. That’ll curb your enthusiasm some.

But another reason is the Giants’ brutal stretch to open the season. They’ll play 22 of 31 on the road to open the season. In what I think we’ll be a tight division with slightly less talented Dodgers and Rockies teams when compared to the Giants – not to mention a still-competitive Padres squad, in my opinion – a few bad breaks here and there, an injury or two or a woeful string of losses (a la Padres 2010), could cost a team the division. If the Giants believe Belt is ready and, when inserted into the lineup, is their best team possible right now, he should absolutely be on the roster from day one.

My last point is that financial considerations should be secondary. If the Giants felt they were nearly as good with Belt than without, it might make sense to stash him for a few weeks. But if they believe there’s a measurable difference, a difference that might cost them even a single win, giving him the honor on Opening Day is the right decision. You can’t make baseball decisions that might not affect you for another four or five seasons, not when a playoff spot hangs in the balance. What’s more, the Giants have a $120 million payroll; they’re not exactly the Tampa Bay Rays or Pittsburg Pirates.

But my personal endorsement of this decision doesn’t come without pause. Fellow writer on this space, Otis Anderson, summed up the hesitation perfectly: “maybe expectations are too high right now for a guy who has one year of professional experience and one year with his current swing mechanics.” Indeed. The former I’m not particularly worried about, though it does carry some concern; he was a college hitter first so his development was, in theory, further along when he arrived. Sometimes a polished college hitter can blast through the minors in a season or less.

But the latter of Otis’ thoughts does carry some weight, and a polished college hitter Belt was not. He had virtually no power in college. So, despite his solid plate discipline, he was available in the fifth round. As soon as the Giants got their hands on him, they lifted his hands, got him more upright and opened up his stance, allowing him to add extra leverage to his swing and increase his bat speed, thereby shoring up some of his holes. With that, he rip-roared through the minors – there’s no need to provide his counting stats, slash lines and such across three levels for the zillionth time.

But if there’s one thing we about major league pitching versus minor league pitching, it’s this: it’s better. Well, that’s obviously simplistic but it’s true. The “stuff” is better and the pitches are nastier, sure. But the real difference is control and repeatability. The third starter for the Phillies, heck, even the third starter for the Royals – well, maybe not the Royals but you get the idea – can and will attack a hitters holes with much greater skill than they will in Triple-A. They do a better job of it in Triple-A than Double-A, and on down the line. And it’s probably worth noting that Belt did the majority of his damage in San Jose (Advanced-A) and Richmond (Double-A) last season.

Every hitter has holes – even Albert Pujols. So what the league will be doing over the course of the season is trying to determine exactly where Belt’s are, and exploiting those that are most glaring on a nightly basis. His ability (or inability) to make adjustments will determine his success (or failure) at the major league level. And the worry is that, given the fact that Belt’s swing is so young having been revamped completely just 12 months ago, he simply won’t know it well enough to make those adjustments. It’s a legitimate concern.

But I guess the best way to figure that out might be to stick the kid at first base tomorrow against the Dodgers, versus sending him to Fresno to beat up on the Triple-A pitchers of the Pacific Coast League.

Personally, I like the move. I’m of the belief that you should field your best team possible, that it was refreshing when Heyward make the Opening Day roster of the Braves last season. With the Giants’ schedule over the first month, they need all the help they can get. They say you can’t win a division in April, but you can lose one. That’s probably an overused statement in baseball, but it might be even a little more true when 22 of your first 31 contests will be away from gorgeous AT&T.

And if the kid struggles, they have recourse; they can send him back to Triple-A to regain his confidence. That’s why they have minor-league options. If he is struggling, the activating of a healed Cody Ross will give them the perfect opportunity to do so. The Giants will still be well-covered at first base with Huff, Sandoval, and Mark DeRosa all being able to play the position. And the derivative consideration – keeping him under team control for an extra year – will still be met.

I don’t see his confidence somehow being shattered; I don’t think you can ruin a hitter by allowing him to fail. If it comes to pass, he’ll head to the minors, knock the ball around the park and be back in a month… and the Giants will likely (finally) be able to cut ties with Centerfielder Rowand. And hopefully, another rookie will bolster their chances of success for the stretch run. Maybe he’ll even win a Rookie of the Year award in the process. That’d be something.

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It’s official… and I won’t need to eat my shoe.

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I don't think you'll find a bigger defender of the scouts over stats viewpoint around here than me. I also tend to really value civility in my debates, so perhaps this is a good time to check out of this line.

Scouting and statistical analysis are both incredibly important. Let's leave it at that and move on. And let us all have tact in our discussions --Agreed?

The newest BA has a really interesting look at how to go from a great group of prospects to a contending major league team (obviously inspired by KC). I'd recommend everybody reading the whole thing (and possibly even listening to the podcast that goes with it), but the single biggest takeaway for me was: the window is really really short for contending** (the great Expos system unfortunately reached its peak during the strike shortened season of '94, and as they essentially lost their ownership before that labor issue was resolved their window was closed before they ever took the field again) and you need to go all in and do everything to take advantage of it when it's really open. To me that means that worrying about controlling Brandon Belt in 2017 really shouldn't be a controlling factor right now, especially as a) there are other ways to accomplish that when they get to the arb buy out negotiation years; and b) you're a long way from knowing whether you want to have Belt controlled in 2017 at this point. So I'm in favor of getting him into the lineup if Bochy thinks he helps the team win, as he seems to think. **(there's of course a corollary lesson in there -- you need to have waves after waves of talent coming up to replenish and extend that window).

I read the BA article as well and I think the author cherry picked the teams to strengthen his argument. The Royals great run from 1976-1985 (6 division titles, 3 2nd place finishes, 2 AL pennants, 1 World Series title) and the Indians great run from 1994-2001 (6 division titles, 2 2nd place finishes, 2 AL pennants) were munch longer runs than the teams the author wrote about.

They did talk about the Indians '94-2001 run on the podcast. But really you have to remember that they were starting from the perspective of what to do with a great group of prospects, not how did a great team get assembled. Those Indians teams essentially had two great prospects (Manny and Belle) and a very good one (Thome). But very little else. Most of the rest of that group of players were acquired from elsewhere through FA or trades using major league talent, not prospects (albeit, smart trading to go with prospect development was one of their key points). Sabathia they talked about as far as the great Cleveland system a decade later. As for the Royals, I'm going to assume they didn't talk about them because BA didn't exist back then and there's no reliable source left to go to to see how their minor league system was really regarded circa 1974 (not to mention that player movement was not the same in the 70s, despite the early existence of FA). I can tell you that George Brett was NOT a hugely regarded prospect (in fact, when he came up the common joke was that his brother Ken, a pitcher, was the better hitter of the two). And really, a whole lot of the core of those Royals teams (Darrel Porter, John Mayberry, Amos Otis, Hal McRae), were also acquired from elsewhere using major league talent, so I don't see why they would be a useful example for that study.

No matter how many great prospects a team they will always have other players brought in by trade or free agency. The 1990s Indians had more than just Manny, Belle and Thome. They also developed Kenny Lofton, Carlos Barega, Charles Nagy, Chad Ogea, and Julian Tavares. They also had Brian Giles and Richie Sexton coming up as well. And the Royals core was mostly players they developed not players they brought from other teams. Georege Brett, Willie Wilson, Frank White, Willie Aikens, Al Cowens, Dennis Leonard, Paul Splittorff, Doug Bird, Al Fitzmorris, John Wathan all cmae up through the Royla's minor league system. If you look at the 1976 Royals the team was mostly homegrown. Then as this first group got old the Royals re-tooled. Later they developed Brett Saberhagen, Steve Balboni, Danny Jackson, Mark Gubicza, etc. The article cherry picked teams to make thier argument stronger. The 1976-85 Royals and the 1994-2001 Indians are tow teams that clearly contradict the article's points.

But the whole point of the article was how to proceed with a great group of standout prospects. That's the starting point. Brian Giles and Richie Sexson were pretty good major league players, but they weren't considered particularly great prospects, and Nagy and Ogea certainly weren't. Also, you should do some fact checking on all those players: Lofton was drafted and developed by the Astros and traded to the Indians after he'd made the majors. Baerga made his debut with the Indians, but he was developed by San Diego and came to Cleveland in the Joe Carter trade. And heck some of the KC players you mentioned were actually traded FOR EACH OTHER! As for the later wave of development, it's important to note that that was the articles #1 lesson learned: one wave isn't enough, you need multiple waves of prospects. Honestly, it's a weird critique for a couple reasons, the biggest being that the article isn't really pushing any hard and fast conclusions about how to manage the process. So I don't know what points you think they were making disingenously.

Nice piece, Rory. I admit to feeling somewhat torn about this decision; while I can appreciate the "every game counts" argument, I'd be more apt to coincide w/ this sentiment if Belt were more of a proven commodity, ie- more sevice time in the minors. On the flip-side, I can't wait to see this kid play on a consistent basis at the ML-level--there's really nothing better from a micro standpoint than watching a prospect blossom before your very eyes. Maybe it's just the perfectionist in me, but it certainly seems like by waiting until the appropriate time the G's could've eliminated nearly ALL the downside-- experience/impact, potential confidence issues, financial repercussions, resulting moving pieces, etc. vs opposed to winning whatever number of hypothetical games in 2 months which more than likely wouldn't have surpassed one win. All that being said, the decision has been made and it's time to simply enjoy the ride. No sense moaning about misgivings anymore, the season starts tomorrow and Belt is officially part of the "defending champs" equation. Go G's!!!

The Brandon Belt era has begun! Now we Giants' fanboys can start the never ending Will Clark comparisons! I expect Belt to homer of off Kershaw in his fist AB no less. :-) And we need to come up with a cool nickname for Belt as well.

That's confirmation bias. There's zero doubt that was their modus operandi in the past. This does, however, indicate a willingness to evolve and change for the better. That's a very good thing in a league with a lot of smart people, many whom have far more financial flexibility -- not that I'm complaining at $120 million. Curious: did you project Huff to be a down-ballot MVP candidate?

1) No not confirmation bias. The Giants aren't afraid to play young players if they are GOOD(see Sandoval, belt, and Posey, all playing regularly when they get called up(I'm assuming the Giants will play belt regularly) while they don't give shots to below average players(see Frandsen, Lewis, Bowker, ortmeier, etc..) 2)As for Huff, I didn't think he would be THAT good, but I definitely thought 09' was an outlier and he'd be around a .820 OPS(near his career averages) and his defense wasn't as bad as advertised. It's the stat guy groupthink that see an ugly year from Huff like 09' and automatically assume he is a terrible baseball player, while I like to use scouting techniques as well as stats to formulate my opinion

Careful with comments here GRM, Marcello and Jponry will come call you a troll and tell you how wrong you were about the 2010 Giants(LOL)

As I recall, GRM's view on the 2010 team was that they had improved but hadn't improved quite enough, and he gave Sabes a D grade for his winter upgrades. A pretty reasonable view at the time which, wonderfully enough, turned out to be not quite right thank the heavens.

He said they'd have a chance for the playoffs and got roasted for it, despite what grade he gave Sabean. Mar-jello, Jponry FAIL.

You're free to comment, but be nice when doing so. The guidelines for posting on this site are very lax, so play nice, OK? Insulting other people on this site is less than appealing.

So the Giants decide to go with the young player. "But Sabez and Bochy hate rookie young guys!"- Mythical fallacies created by MCC

Great news, I agree that the Giants need to field their best team, and it is good to hear that Sabean/Bochy may now have a different opinion of not always giving the nod to veterans over rookies. I hate to see Rowand get a spot over Ishikawa, however, as Rowand is definitely not part of fielding your best team.

With Cody Ross on the DL Rowand has to make the team as the lone CF backup. Ishikawa was never an option instead of Rowand.

Good point, a lot of people actually think Schierholtz can play CF, and I'm not convinced of that

Yeah, with Belt on the team, there's just no rationale for keeping Ishikawa. There's no role for him to fill at that point.

Ramirez had 4 seasons of minor league baseball and an OPS of .783. How in the world did he go to the best offensive shortstop in baseball from that? But remember, scouts were still very high on his upside. Now he's a perennial .900 OPS hitter.

Good to know that one guy disproves the entire system.

I doubt his MLEs were terrible, though. MLEs do consider age relative to league as part of the equation right? Hanley was always young for his leagues AND he played in the most extreme pitchers leagues in the minors. I'd guess that a .730 OPS for a 19 year old in the Sally, .753 OPS for a 20 year old in the FSL, and even his .720 as a 21 year old in the EL all had decent MLEs, though I can't seem to dig up what any of them were.

Actually it's quite more than just Ramirez, Mar-jello. And Roger, his MLE's might have been good but nowhere near a .900 OPS. How did he get there? maybe the scouts arent so dumb after all?

MLE means nothing. You need to use the stats as well as scouting techniques to project players from the Minors to the big leagues. Case in point: Hanley Ramirez

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