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c1ue
c1ue

The point is still the same. If the statistical treatment of closer/reliever stats translates to a statistical average of wins - what then do actual behaviors which created actual losses mean? If Broxton walks more people than normal, but doesn't actually create losses, you get ... Brian Wilson. But he didn't (not create losses). He coughed up leads and blew saves. And we're not talking about a single instance, or even 2 instances. How many standard deviations is 3 home runs which all led to a loss in 1 season in one reliever?

Rory Paap
Rory Paap

Correction: the main problem with Broxton last year was that he was a Dodger. But yes, the walks didn't help.

c1ue
c1ue

I don't disagree that others might be walking/giving up hits, but you're not acknowledging that a 'stopper' that coughs up so many key home runs is a big problem. Broxton did the same for LA - do you think he's an excellent closer?

marcello
marcello

He was, until he absolutely imploded in the 2nd half last year.

marcello
marcello

And further, Broxton's problem last year was with walks, not HR's.

nomisnala
nomisnala

With Wilson possibly on the DL, it begs the question? Who will be the 12th man on the staff? Wilson will temporarily knock our top 11 down to 10, hence the need to pick-up two guys on the back end. Do the giants go righty/lefty? Do they go long reliever/short reliever? Looks like Mota, Runzler, Suppan (not sure why) and Vogelsong would be in the mix. There are a few others like Kroon, who might be intriguing. Supposedly Suppan is gone if he does not make the team. I do not know if that is a good or bad thing at this time, but he would have to reverse his trends over the last few years to be of any real value. I see this closer by committee, a situation where there may have to be a bunch of lefty/righty switches with pinch hitters and a bunch of NL strategy which Bochy loves. I hope Bochy lives up to his reputation when it comes to handling this situation. Of course the giants hitters could decide to blow everybody out by big scores thus negating the need for the substitute closers. However, this team just coming off of being the team of torture, I do not see this as likely.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I think a platoon is reasonable. You throw Romo against RHBs (his slider makes him tough against them) and you run Lopez or Affeldt (preferably Lopez) against tougher LHBs. There's no circumstance where Lopez should ever (ever!) throw to RHBs. Depending on how Romo's sinker develops, he might get a crack against weaker LHBs.

Rory Paap
Rory Paap

You're remembering them as critical home runs because he pitched late in games, usually the 8th inning. The Giants' other relievers would have had similar blown games, if given the chance. And if not a home run, the other guys are far more likely to walk two or three guys, give up and double, and sulk off the mound: game over. It's not quite as dramatic, but the result is just as bad. The point is, he's the best man for the job, given who they have to choose from. It's not that he's prime-time closer material, not many relievers are. Wilson's preferred, but Romo would be a quality replacement. More quality than anyone else in that 'pen.

c1ue
c1ue

I like Romo, but he coughed up crucial runs on at least 3 different occasions last year that I can remember: A home run to Manny Ramirez to allow the Dodgers to avoid a sweep. A home run in the NLCS. A home run in another game I cannot remember which also cost the Giants a win. Again, I think he is a fine pitcher. But 3 different home runs in key situations is not what I call prime closer material.

Rory Paap
Rory Paap

BAM! Making me look good already, Chris.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Also, touching on the idea that Giants' relievers don't throw a lot of innings because of the SP, I searched the IP totals for relievers in the NL from 2008-2010. Giants' relievers threw 1,409.1 IP over that time period -- that's the 4th lowest in the NL. If you go year-by-year: 2010 (461 IP, 3rd lowest) 2009 (461 IP, 2nd lowest) 2008 (487.1 IP, 4th lowest) Pretty weird that the Giants bullpen threw the exact same amount of IP in both 2010 and 2009. You've got to figure that the Phillies bullpen will have a lot of free time in 2011, both Halladay and Lee have thrown an average of 245 and 222 IP over the past three seasons. Very impressive.