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hairball
hairball

Two things: 1) I find it hilariously ironic that Matt Cain, he of 3 years of ultra bad luck while on the mound as evidenced by his team's offensive meltdowns whenever he pitched, is suddenly being touted nationally as an icon of good luck. Ah, the zen of Matt Cain. 2) I am not statistically savvy enough to divine whether Rags himself fit the profile described here. What was his HR/FB, and did he have a career deviation of ERA from xFIP? Thanks.

Roger
Roger

While we're on the topic, can I just say that one facet of this debate that annoys me is when people take a stat designed to predict future results and instead use it to denigrate past results, a la: Matt Cain hasn't really been that good the past two years. That type of argument seems really contrary to the spirit of the stat to begin with. But beyond that, I agree with Chris. I think it's awesome that Matt has become the central figure in an ongoing national debate. Like Andy Warhol once said: "Don't pay any attention to what they write about you. Just measure it in inches."

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

That annoys me too, especially since there is no less critical way to use sabremetric data then to just use an ERA estimator without actually thinking about it. On the other hand I do feel like more people have been willing to see Cain as an interesting exception to the rules after this debate. If not, they at least have better reasons for doing so than "Guhr! But his xFIP! It's big!!1!"

Roger
Roger

...aaaand the phrase "skill babies" officially enters my lexicon. Whether it's to be used primarily in the positive, as in a show of total dominance ("man, I am throwing some skill babies out there tonight") or in the negative, when, say, Cain throws a 1-hitter and loses a 1-0 decision ("this team is just KILLING their skill babies tonight") is yet to be determined.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

I predict that the youth of America will pick it up as a new hip urban slang.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

The Matt Cain's Hair photo and tag were clearly too awesome to use only once, BTW.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

You melted my servers!

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

Really? what happened?

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

I think the site crashed for a few minutes. It seems to be up and running fine now. I blame /image cainhair.jpg

scout6
scout6

"It’s also worth noting that while all the debate focuses on Cain’s HR/FB magic" Matt Cain is magic. Got it. Debate over.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

goddamn it. I meant to excise that. The factoid was that Koufax posted a crazy low BABIP over his career too.

Roger
Roger

Was it just Koufax or did it extend in some part to the team in general? Because they had an extraordinary team defense in the early parts of the 60s. Particularly that Davis-Davis OF. Thinking in those terms, you'd have to believe the Orioles pitchers of the late 60s-early 70s would have benefitted from extremely low BABIPs too.

scout6
scout6

Good insight. But I think I will still stick with magic.

scout6
scout6

"It’s worth noting that Koufax also poste" You are a master of suspense!