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duncanfromglenhaven
duncanfromglenhaven

great article. i also (anecdotally) believe that bengie's game calling/pitching staff management was seriously overrated. the sanchez situation is well documented, but over the past few seasons zito also pitched considerably better with whiteside behind the plate. with 20/20 hindsight i am comfortable concluding that lincecum and cain in particular would have pitched well with my grandmother behind the plate. sometimes good pitching is simply a result of good pitchers ... and yes bengie's triple was one of my highlights for the season, even in a different uniform.

minorp
minorp

This was a insightful article and I agree that this trade was an important, if largely unnoticed, point in the Giants season. Ray may not have played a large role down the stretch, but he was a useful player and it was impressive that Sabean got anything in return for Molina...of course that doesn't negate the fact that it was Sabean that helped keep Molina around for so long and delayed the emergence of Posey. Now I wonder if Sabean can do the same with Rowand...

nomisnala
nomisnala

One must take into account that half of Molina's offensive output as a Ranger came in one, almost unbelievable game, when he hit for the cycle. Watching him run for that triple has to be one of the all time great moments for a non giants player. Or should I say for a former Giants player.

Daniel T
Daniel T

Excellent. Very excellent. This is so true it is silly. This clearly outlines why Ray, Sabean, and Molina each deserve their World Series rings for the zero-to-little contribution that they made on the playing field. By allowing Posey to be the man and role players to be closer to average, the Giants prevailed. Excellent.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Great article, Otis! You're going to put me to shame. The Molina trade shocked me. It really did, it was something that I never expected. And, like you say, a turning point for the Giants on the year. Really well put together post.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

Thanks Chris! That means a lot. In the course of writing it I reread your original post on the Molina trade. Did the Giants trade Molina just as you hit post or what?

obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

I was looking at the lineups right after the trade, and Whiteside probably deserves to be put in that list of starters: he started 4 of the next 9 games at C.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

Actually he started 3 of them. One of those was the hilarious pinch-running episode in Colorado. I find it hard to judge how much Whiteside's playing time changed. He was starting a fair amount of games before the trade too.

obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

Great article! FYI, your link to this didn't work on Twitter (h/t to paapfly). I had bought into the Jose Guillen bashing but recently looked at the time when he played, and he actually was hitting very well early on, had an extremely cold streak for a week or two, then was hot again until fizzling at season's end. He actually was hitting well most of the time he was here, but his numbers looked bad when combined with his KC time and as a result of that extremely cold spell, which was just before he got that shot in his neck that helped him. Also, when he was not going well, the Giants might have gone to Ross then except that Torres had his appendectomy and so he played in place of Torres instead of Guillen, who obviously was struggling with his physical limitations. Lastly, another datapoint to boost your discussion of Molina vs. Posey as catcher: in all his seasons with the Giants, Jonathan Sanchez just could not pitch well while Molina was the catcher. Posey was able to harness him just as well as Whiteside could, in fact, better, as his K/BB ratio was much better 2.52, which is excellent, vs. the barely good 2.0 that Sanchez has with other catchers.