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Roger
Roger

My first major disagreement: I know Jarret Parker is a high draft choice, but I have to say I just hated this draft with a Steve Hosey/Tony Torcato intensity. I'm trying very hard to patiently hope for the best with Brown, but the Parker/Jurica picks just struck me as terrible terrible overdrafts of no-tool players. Hate it more than I hated the post-Timmy portion of the 2006 draft, and I really disliked that draft, too. Seems to me that they've been stocking up college flail-artists in the past few drafts, and the best they've managed to do with any of them is turn them into professional flail-artists. I'm honestly trying to think of a good reason why I should rate Parker above Dominguez, and I'm coming up empty, much like Parker's swing.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Yeah, Snyder isn't the perfect comparison. He's just the first thing that popped into my head. Was Alderson's curve ever considered a plus-pitch? I seem to remember hearing good reports on it pre-draft.

marcello
marcello

Sad but true: it took me at least half a season to start liking Bumgarner more than Alderson.

Roger
Roger

I never understood the Alderson pick at all. At all. Just seemed like there were so many other ways they could have gone with that pick, once'd they'd selected Bumgarner. Even of the HS pitchers left on the board, he seemed like one of the guys with the lowest upside. Seemed to me at the time that if you wanted a second pitcher that was the pick that you spend on Porcello, since the worst that was likely to happen was to walk off with Bumgarner in your pocket and get a compensation 1st round pick the next year.

delorean
delorean

Howbout this comp for Otis Anderson: a young Grant Frisbee. y/n?

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

/might not actually be younger than Mr. Frisbee.

ldd233
ldd233

Pitchers of Surkamp's profile tend to put up good strikeout numbers in the lower minors, only to be exposed in the upper minors (see Tim Alderson). If he maintains is K-rate at AA, then I will be a converted believer.

ldd233
ldd233

Of course I don't remember where, but I had read 87-89 on his fastball, which is what made me think of Alderson. Like I said, pitchers without good fastballs, and from what I hear, his is at best average, not good, tend to miss bats in the lower minors only to have hitters in the upper minors stop missing. I probably sound more bullish on him than I am; I actually rather like him, but a full season at AA will probably decided it for me either way.

ldd233
ldd233

I meant, I probably sound more bearish on him than I actually am, of course.

ldd233
ldd233

Here is as much as I can give you of what Kevin Goldstein said about him last season with a link, so I don't feel like I'm plagarizing: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/search/index.ph... "24 strikeouts in last two starts and 106 on the season in 99 innings; does it with command and secondary pitches, as fastball is fringy." " Incredible number of strikeouts for a pitcher who rarely gets into the 90s with his fastball; deceptive lefty with location, movement and a good breaking ball, the kind of combination that kind put up big numbers at the lower levels." "Surkamp is one of those low-velocity/high-polish types who are hard to project, but there's no questioning that's he's excellent at what he does, as a two-hit shutout on Sunday lowered his ERA to 2.05. He sits at 88-90 mph with his fastball, has a plus curve ball and good change, but it's his ability to change speeds, hit his spots effectively, and keep hitters off balance that makes him so good. This is not a future All-Star, but it is a future big leaguer, and likely a back-end rotation starter at that." And John Sickels: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/11/14/1814238... Eric Surkamp, LHP, Grade C+: Intriguing finesse lefty, but can't rank higher until we see how Double-A goes. I really like pitchers of his profile, I've just been burned too many times getting excited about them and am being extra cautious with Surkamp.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

You're very right that AA should be a good test for him -- like most players -- and I hope he does well. The recent BA blurb (that was hidden behind the pay wall, so I can't see it) said something to the effect that his velo on his fastball was 90-91 at times last year. That's very encouraging. The average FB in the majors is 90-91 and I would wager that it's lower for LHP SP. I don't know if Alderson is the right comp since he was a much higher draft pick. Maybe Ben Snyder? Though he never had Surkamp's K-rate, he was a lefty with a very good curve in the Giants org. with reported below average velo that was turned into a LOOGY by the time he hit AA.

Roger
Roger

Except when Ben Snyder was a 21 year old in the Sally, his K/9 was 8.6, a full 3 K/9 less than Surkamp. Alderson, though much younger, still only put up a 7.7 in the Cal League, and to the best of my knowledge, though scouts liked his overall polish never really considered him having a single plus pitch in the repertoire.

Otis Anderson
Otis Anderson

Speaking for myself, I know that he projects poorly, but ranked him there anyway. Pure mule-headedness!