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Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Actually, checking my spreadsheet. I think I do have an error. I'll post the revised edit today. Thanks!

giantsrainman
giantsrainman

Chris, What is the point of using the weighing formula you are using? Seems to me that this not only treats further years back less but also treats overall performance less. Multiplying by 1, .8, and .6 which only adds up to 2.4 and then dividing by 3 reduces the results by 25%. Why do you want to do this?

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Oh, and Paapfly I actually like Crawford a lot. He fits the profile of a player that I generally think will age well. But, I think he's the #1 position player FA for most teams and it seems unlikely that the Giants can afford him. Werth gives a lot of similar value, but I'm hoping, at a lesser price. re: Dunn's defense His UZR numbers from 2008-09 are truly terrible. He had back-to-back -30 run seasons on defense. Those were years when he was playing the OF. His numbers last year at 1B weren't terrible (-3.3 UZR/150) but if you look at the larger sample, he's a -15 run 1B. I have a hard time thinking he's THAT bad at 1B, but projecting him as a -5 to -10 run guy at 1B seems reasonable.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

GRM, I should have been more clear. When I say 5/4/3 weighting, I mean this: 1.0, 0.8, and 0.6. So, Werth for example looks like this: ((5.0*1)+(4.9*.8)+(5.1*.6))/3

giantsrainman
giantsrainman

Ignoring the possible math errors, I am in agreement for the most part with your first two conclusions but not your last. I do not want my Giants making another long term high dollar commitment to a non super star and that is what they would be doing if they signed Werth (or Crawford for that matter).

giantsrainman
giantsrainman

Chris, I think your spreadsheets have errors. I will just give you two examples and leave it to you to find and correct the causes. 1) It is not possible for Jayson Werth's 5/4/3 weighted WAR to be just 4.o when non of the years weighed are less the 4.9. (This is the one that made me check.) 2) The very first one you show for Lance Berkman is wrong as (5x2.1)+(4x3.4)+(3x7.5)/(5+4+3)=46.6/12=3.9 not 3.1. Now if you are also regressing these then that is a different story but you made no mention that this is what you were doing or indicate how you were doing this regression.

www.PaapFly.com
www.PaapFly.com

I was shocked to see Dunn wasn't even a two win player in 08 and 09. Were you? He had to have been -30 runs on defense. I actually prefer Berkman at first over Huff, as difficult that is to admit. His price should be lower in terms of both $ and years, and I truly believe blocking Belt for 2 or certainly 3 seasons would be a huge mistake. I think a situation where either he or Huff has to play a corner OF spot should be avoided. Agree completely on SS, and OF for the most part. I did find it curious that you didn't even touch on Crawford. He be perfect for the Giants, but I do believe he's going to be massively overpaid by someone and the Giants have all but ruled him out anyway, unwilling to go long term for huge dollars with Type A free agent at this point. It's prob for the better, too, the farm needs to be restocked. Sweet post, thanks Chris!