Article written by

15 comments
www.PaapFly.com
www.PaapFly.com

My sentiments lay somewhere near what Neyer said, after he posted Chris' blog on the sweetspot: "Indeed, this is pretty stunning: the heart of the Giants' hitting attack is three guys who nobody else really wanted. It's tempting to attribute this success to the front office's brilliance ... but if they can do it this year, then why not every year? I'm perfectly happy to credit Brian Sabean for picking up Huff and Torres and Burrell ... but I think we also have to acknowledge -- as I suspect Sabean would, privately -- that the Giants got more than their fair share of luck this season, too." There's undoubtedly luck involved, but probably less - in my opinion - than it seems you are suggesting.

www.PaapFly.com
www.PaapFly.com

Super glad to hear Torres is arb. eligible. Fantastic news. The X factor for me is Belt. If he's ready sooner rather than later that really makes Huff and a potential Martinez signing a poor idea. Why pay someone 5, 6, 7, 8 + million when you have a 400k replacement. His AFL performance may tell them how ready he is (or isn't). Where do you put DeRosa if you have Burrell? He is paid for, Burrell is not. I don't envy Sabean's job this offseason. He has some good problems to have, some bad. I think it's fair to say some serious luck was involved with how his moves worked out in 2010. But with all the 1B and OF talk, well, I eventually just get back to SS.

Merkled
Merkled

PAAP - Dont you think there is a huge amount of luck that goes into putting together any roster? I have never done it myself, and not only do I imagine that it is insanely difficult but I bet it's a lot like waiting for plants to grow. This is why the Yankees buy full grown plants now because there is less watching, waiting and agonizing to see if you will have food in 6 months. See above for my opinion on the SS situation.

www.PaapFly.com
www.PaapFly.com

Also, isn't Torres a FA? If so, this will be his first, last and only shot to cash in. I have to believe there's a deal out there for him, 2-3 years of at least $6-8 Mil if not more.

Merkled
Merkled

Torres is ARB eligible for 2011 and Free Agent in 2014. Regardless, it is going to hit the giants hard if it goes to arbitration so I think its best to give him a bump now and avoid anything over the top. He is 32 so I think they cannot go anyting more than 1 year just in case something else in him ruptures next year. Two big factors on this team cost them just over $800K with Posey and Torres.

www.PaapFly.com
www.PaapFly.com

If we are using the same logic; he got huge luck on Burrell, Torres and Huff, and really terrible luck on Renteria, Rowand and Zito. I'll say this: in Sabean's defense, I think there was a weird period between 2004-2007 where nobody really knew how older players would perform off steroids. I'm not saying any of these guys were on them, or anyone was for that matter - though, obviously a very many of them (the players) were -but you can see the precipitous drop off in ability/ skills of post 30-32 year old players in the "post-steroid" era. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it'll be a bit easier to see what you're getting now.

www.PaapFly.com
www.PaapFly.com

I was worried about Bum, too. My concern wasn't that he wasn't going to be a big league arm, but that his ceiling went from potential #1 to mid or back end rotation, if not bullpen. His drop in velocity and loss of control indicated possible injury; thank god that doesn't seem to be the case. I had this idea, and I'll float it out here. I love Burrell and Huff as much as any Giants fan, but I'm not comfortable going to a certain dollar value or years out in particular. The Giants tend to do this for loyalty or whatever, and need to end that trend. If Huff goes - the Giants could sign Victor Martinez and put him at 1B/ backup catcher. I cant think of a better way to maximize roster efficiency. They could have buster at 1B once or twice a week, and Martinez catch; it would be a straight position swap. Both bats would be on the lineup nearly every day. That would mean adios to Huff, but that may happen anyway. Thoughts?

Merkled
Merkled

I guess my question is how much more is Martinez going to cost than Huff? I have a feeling the Giants are not going to be able to afford Martinez and they will have to overpay for him. Dont you think Victor will be in the 6.5 to 8mil range per year at least? What is it you dont like about Huff where he doesnt deserve a 2 year deal? Age maybe but he is 33 not 36. I think with a 2 year deal it gives the giants enough time to bring someone like Brandon Belt up and let him mature at 1B (if that is going to be the story).

ADoc1980
ADoc1980

With Rowand and Zito still on the books, I find it hard to believe they will ante up for a player the caliber of Martinez. It makes sense if you have unlimited funds, but I doubt they would consider it. I think if Huff and Burrell would accept 2 year deals to stay and play 1B and LF respectively, I could live with that. That gives Brandon Belt and Thomas Neal a bit longer to mature and I think Huff and Burrell could stay productive in that time frame.

marcello
marcello

Just to add to number 4, the upgrade from Wellemeyer to Bumgarner was significant. Between Posey and Bumgarner, the Giants probably improved their team ~6 wins.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Fact: Todd Wellemeyer was awful. Bumgarner's season was particularly helpful since Wellemeyer was pitching at a sub-replacement level and Bumgarner has been quite good. I was really worried about him before the season but he's made me a believer for now.

www.PaapFly.com
www.PaapFly.com

Their defense is, by far, the biggest surprise to me. When you look at the fact that Guillen or Burrell or both have been playing everyday for most of the season, that Pablo is at third most days, that Renteria and Uribe are not top flight SS, that Huff was supposed to be dreadful anywhere he played... well it's just crazy. As fantastic as Torres has been, and Freddy Sanchez for that matter, I still just don't see how this can be. I guess the best thing to do is just be grateful and move on. I didn't think the pitching could repeat, either. But it basically has. Too bad they couldn't be just a bit better offensively, otherwise they'd have to be at the very least considered a co-favorite to win the pennant with Philly. The value they've gotten out of the $4 million you mention, for Huff, Burrell and Torres, as well as the value for the $400K catcher is just crazy. The road to rebuilding a contender next season won't be a smooth one. I think finding a viable SS is going to be particularly challenging. What a fun season to watch, write about and enjoy.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

The road to rebuilding a contender next season won’t be a smooth one. I think finding a viable SS is going to be particularly challenging. Agree. Also, I think it's going to be hard to decide what to do with Burrell and Huff. Either could price themselves out of the Giants plans pretty quickly and I would be a little reluctant to go too far down the road with them in a deal. I know that they've "loved playing here" but it's going to be the last shot for both of them to cash in.

Merkled
Merkled

Do you let Uribe walk? I know he is aging but imagine having Renteria in there all season long. Uribe had a UZR of 0.8 which isnt detrimental and with 24HR/85RBI aint shabby at the plate. He definitely needs to get his walks up but really you know the type of hitter he is and he is hackman reincarnate. He is a 6/7 hitter if Pablo has a stronger bat. It would be hard to watch him leave and then try desparately to find someone to bring in that replaces his entire presence on the club. It will be tough enough to try and keep most of the castaways together with the deadweight duo of Rowand and Zit clogging up the roster, but extremely difficult if you add in a free agent SS too. Potential Free Agent Shortstops: (*2011 option) Alex Gonzalez ATL Cristian Guzman TEX J.J. Hardy MIN Omar Infante ATL * Cesar Izturis BAL Derek Jeter NYY Julio Lugo BAL Jhonny Peralta DET * Edgar Renteria SF * Jose Reyes NYM * Jimmy Rollins PHI * Ramon Vazquez HOU Obviously there are some that are not leaving but who on this list are you willing to overpay for? This is the trap that the giants keep running into and it costs them down the road. They reached for an arm in Zito to fill a hole and reached for a CF to fill a hole with Rowand. If they reach for another SS they will be in big trouble again unless they find someone stellar.......I don't see anyone stellar. Solution: Trade Velez for some P90X and we solve Uribe's and Pablo's problem at the same time.

Chris Quick
Chris Quick

Uribe could be a stopgap at SS, unless the Giants find/trade/acquire a solid SS over the offseason. I'm not sure having a roster with both Mike Fontenot and Juan Uribe makes sense. Uribe is probably the better player, but how much will he cost?