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		<title>By: baetown415</title>
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		<dc:creator>baetown415</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last night was actually the most uneasy I&#039;ve ever felt during a Cain start. Thank goodness for Randy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night was actually the most uneasy I&#8217;ve ever felt during a Cain start. Thank goodness for Randy.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Marcello

&gt;&gt; I can’t wait until the end of this season, when Cain has put up another year similar to the last three (or hopefully a bit better) and won 15 games. All the articles about how he finally has taken THE step forward are going to kill me.

YES.

&gt;&gt; Yeah, any hitter not named Yovanni Gallardo.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Marcello</p>
<p>>> I can’t wait until the end of this season, when Cain has put up another year similar to the last three (or hopefully a bit better) and won 15 games. All the articles about how he finally has taken THE step forward are going to kill me.</p>
<p>YES.</p>
<p>>> Yeah, any hitter not named Yovanni Gallardo.</p>
<p>;_;</p>
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		<title>By: marcello</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, Chris, in response to this:

&quot;He’s definitely going to have to layoff that pitch way up in the zone. That’s a tough pitch for almost any hitter.&quot;

Yeah, any hitter not named Yovanni Gallardo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, Chris, in response to this:</p>
<p>&#8220;He’s definitely going to have to layoff that pitch way up in the zone. That’s a tough pitch for almost any hitter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, any hitter not named Yovanni Gallardo.</p>
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		<title>By: marcello</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t wait until the end of this season, when Cain has put up another year similar to the last three (or hopefully a bit better) and won 15 games.  All the articles about how he finally has taken THE step forward are going to kill me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait until the end of this season, when Cain has put up another year similar to the last three (or hopefully a bit better) and won 15 games.  All the articles about how he finally has taken THE step forward are going to kill me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK then, you&#039;re being too critical ;)

At least for now. His FB% numbers are something to watch, but until they start regressing horribly (mostly his HR rate) he&#039;ll be an above-average starter in the NL adding 3-4 wins per year most likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK then, you&#8217;re being too critical <img src='http://www.baycityball.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>At least for now. His FB% numbers are something to watch, but until they start regressing horribly (mostly his HR rate) he&#8217;ll be an above-average starter in the NL adding 3-4 wins per year most likely.</p>
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		<title>By: kenshin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong. I think Cain is a good pitcher and very valuable baseball property</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cain doesn&#039;t have &#039;middling k numbers&#039; they&#039;re above average for a starter. Starters tend to post K%&#039;s of around 16%. Cain&#039;s K% for the last three years:

2006 - 21.92%
2007 - 19.59%
2008 - 19.94%

Those are above-average strike out numbers. And while his control is poor sometimes, he&#039;s generally been ever-so-slightly below average in that department. The average starter tends to post BB%&#039;s of around 8%. Again, Cain over the last three years:

2006 - 10.71%
2007 - 9.50%
2008 - 9.75%

He&#039;s cut about 1% off of his walk numbers. 

Yeah, he&#039;s a flyball pitcher, he&#039;s not going to change that and turn into Brandon Webb. What I find interesting is that he&#039;s constantly posted better than average of HR/FB% in his career. For his pitcher-type (lots of flyballs, above-average K&#039;s, near average control) he fits really well into AT&amp;T park. It&#039;s probably the best park he could be pitching in outside of Petco or something really extreme. 

My point isn&#039;t that he&#039;s going to win the next CYA or something, but that&#039;s he&#039;s been a damned good pitcher since he put on the Giants uniform and despite his flaws, he&#039;s adding a lot to the Giants and when you consider his win totals with what he&#039;s making -- he&#039;s a bargain, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cain doesn&#8217;t have &#8216;middling k numbers&#8217; they&#8217;re above average for a starter. Starters tend to post K%&#8217;s of around 16%. Cain&#8217;s K% for the last three years:</p>
<p>2006 &#8211; 21.92%<br />
2007 &#8211; 19.59%<br />
2008 &#8211; 19.94%</p>
<p>Those are above-average strike out numbers. And while his control is poor sometimes, he&#8217;s generally been ever-so-slightly below average in that department. The average starter tends to post BB%&#8217;s of around 8%. Again, Cain over the last three years:</p>
<p>2006 &#8211; 10.71%<br />
2007 &#8211; 9.50%<br />
2008 &#8211; 9.75%</p>
<p>He&#8217;s cut about 1% off of his walk numbers. </p>
<p>Yeah, he&#8217;s a flyball pitcher, he&#8217;s not going to change that and turn into Brandon Webb. What I find interesting is that he&#8217;s constantly posted better than average of HR/FB% in his career. For his pitcher-type (lots of flyballs, above-average K&#8217;s, near average control) he fits really well into AT&#038;T park. It&#8217;s probably the best park he could be pitching in outside of Petco or something really extreme. </p>
<p>My point isn&#8217;t that he&#8217;s going to win the next CYA or something, but that&#8217;s he&#8217;s been a damned good pitcher since he put on the Giants uniform and despite his flaws, he&#8217;s adding a lot to the Giants and when you consider his win totals with what he&#8217;s making &#8212; he&#8217;s a bargain, too.</p>
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		<title>By: kenshin</title>
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		<dc:creator>kenshin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always been less ardent in my support of Cain than the rest of the giants fan illuminati. His combo of middling k numbers, poor control, and fly ball tendancies underwhelms me.  

Last night his control certainly impressed me and he threw a number of nice curves; however, the Brewers made an awful lot of solid contact off of him.  It seemed less like a masterful performance and more like a pitcher getting assisted by environmental factors and fortuitous defensive positioning to me.

Am I being to critical?</description>
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<p>Last night his control certainly impressed me and he threw a number of nice curves; however, the Brewers made an awful lot of solid contact off of him.  It seemed less like a masterful performance and more like a pitcher getting assisted by environmental factors and fortuitous defensive positioning to me.</p>
<p>Am I being to critical?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark

Good note on the curveball. I thought it looked that way, too. I haven&#039;t looked at his PFX numbers yet, but I might check them out to see if the data meets our eyes.

RE: Sandoval hacking

I agree, I&#039;m skeptical if he can keep it up. He&#039;s definitely going to have to layoff that pitch way up in the zone. That&#039;s a tough pitch for almost any hitter. We&#039;ll see if he can make the needed adjustments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark</p>
<p>Good note on the curveball. I thought it looked that way, too. I haven&#8217;t looked at his PFX numbers yet, but I might check them out to see if the data meets our eyes.</p>
<p>RE: Sandoval hacking</p>
<p>I agree, I&#8217;m skeptical if he can keep it up. He&#8217;s definitely going to have to layoff that pitch way up in the zone. That&#8217;s a tough pitch for almost any hitter. We&#8217;ll see if he can make the needed adjustments.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkOC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cain threw--it seemed to me--a lot of curveballs early in the game and had great success (called strikes, weak outs).  He had command from the get-go and didn&#039;t let up, and the run scoring took some of the pressure off, I&#039;m sure.  Great performance!  (I&#039;m stoked!)

Sandoval and &quot;approach&quot; don&#039;t seem to go together, but it is too early to say anything substantive.  I&#039;m one of those worriers who thinks the free-swinging hack-meister style will hurt him in the long run.  BUT (1) he could still make a career of it, since he seems quite skilled at bad-ball hitting and (2) I&#039;m giving him no credit for growing, learning, getting smarter, etc.  I&#039;m going to fight my snap-judgment ways and give Pablo a season to show us his stuff.  After all, we hardly know this kid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cain threw&#8211;it seemed to me&#8211;a lot of curveballs early in the game and had great success (called strikes, weak outs).  He had command from the get-go and didn&#8217;t let up, and the run scoring took some of the pressure off, I&#8217;m sure.  Great performance!  (I&#8217;m stoked!)</p>
<p>Sandoval and &#8220;approach&#8221; don&#8217;t seem to go together, but it is too early to say anything substantive.  I&#8217;m one of those worriers who thinks the free-swinging hack-meister style will hurt him in the long run.  BUT (1) he could still make a career of it, since he seems quite skilled at bad-ball hitting and (2) I&#8217;m giving him no credit for growing, learning, getting smarter, etc.  I&#8217;m going to fight my snap-judgment ways and give Pablo a season to show us his stuff.  After all, we hardly know this kid!</p>
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