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Chris
Chris

@OGC Cookyman already beat me to the punch when it comes to Rowand, so I'll just direct you to his comment. <cite>I think you hit on it right, just stated it wrong: good teams, when they are ready to compete, hire extraneous vets to support the young crew in place.</cite> And bad teams, or poorly run ones, pay free market dollars for positions that they already should have filled internally. Gamer!

Cookyman
Cookyman

"Nobody was complaining about Rowand when his OPS was above 900 at the end of May. Nobody goes from above 900 to 600 OPS unless there was some sort of injury affecting him. I think his 2009 will be more representative of what he will deliver to us, for good or bad" Rowand also had a really high BABIP during the first 2 months - the decline wasn't that surprising. And his line, when considering his age, home park, and tendency to run into walls, wasn't that much worse than his career line. I hope he will surprise me, but I'm afraid that this is pretty much the Rowand that we'll be getting for the next 4 years.

obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

"Guys like Cliff Floyd (114 OPS+), Gabe Gross (104 OPS+), and Eric Hinkse (111 OPS+) were all acquired for very little resources. Defensive position excluded, all three guys out hit Aaron Rowand soundly and will cost the Rays $55M less. And, the Rays won’t have to deal with them for 4+ years. Good teams do this." Good teams hire a frequently injured player like Floyd who hasn't been reliable for years, a utility OF like Gabe Gross, and Eric Hinske, a utility corner fielder so bad already at age 30, when supposedly most players are at their physical peak, that he was with his third team in less than a year when he signed with the lowly Rays? And with them you compare Aaron Rowand? I think you hit on it right, just stated it wrong: good teams, when they are ready to compete, hire extraneous vets to support the young crew in place. The Giants were not in that place in 2008, or are you really suggesting that it would have been better if the Giants had signed Eric Hinske instead of Aaron Rowand? Nobody was complaining about Rowand when his OPS was above 900 at the end of May. Nobody goes from above 900 to 600 OPS unless there was some sort of injury affecting him. I think his 2009 will be more representative of what he will deliver to us, for good or bad. I think you should also include their astute acquisition of Iwamura, he has been a very economical acquisition and can play both 2B and 3B well enough. As much as I would hate to see Feliz win a ring (I take solace that he did so poorly he didn't play a full season and basically was in a platoon of some sort with Dobbs and Bruntlett after the ASG, giving the ring a bittersweet taste), I think have to root for the Phillies over the Rays because I can't stand all the media commentators point at the Rays and mew about how "that's the way to do it".

Chris
Chris

Also, I didn't work this into the original post, but I really liked the way that Maddon handled David Price last night. The Rays bullpen is a little iffy at the back end and Price could be their best reliever right now. Great way to actually use him at the end of the game. I think as everyone saw, he's got great stuff. I hate to make the comparison because the cases aren't THAT similar, but Price could be Tampa's K-Rod.

daveinexile
daveinexile

WaxPack: Just to because I am contrary I wouldn’t have been crushed by a BoSox win. They traded the biggest name ( for people outside of their fan base) and had a guy with a bad back and who had been on 2 trades this year playing out of position at first base. It would have been interesting to see if they had enough left in the tank. That said I will be immensely happy that next season when I get to see the Royals or the O’s or the M’s ( insert any other lower division team for ‘09) on a national feed it will not always be them playing the Red Sox!

Chris
Chris

@Wax I agree. Having to listen to Chip Caray boom about THESE GUYS ON THE RED SOX and how they NEVER GIVE UP was really tiring. They're an amazingly talented team that's had great success over the last 5-6 years, but the narrative (as you put it very well) is constantly being forced upon the national audience by Fox and ESPN. I want to see new teams in the WS, other than just the RED SOX and YANKEES and whoever else the media is trying to pump up at the moment. That's why it's been really amusing to see the Rays get in. Because the MSM keeps droning on about WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING, well, I would say 90% of well informed baseball fans knew that the Rays had a lot of talent. It's not that surprising. OT: I'm listening to MLB on XM and Rob Dibble is currently on -- one of my least favorite baseball personalities -- and he's going on about how the Mets would LOVE TO AQUIRE JASON VARITEK BECAUSE HE CALLS A GREAT GAME. Never mind that he's 37-years-old next year and will probably get even worse. Teams would LOVE to have a catcher that hits .220/.313/.359 He wears a C! A C!

waxpack
waxpack

I have to say that I'm really pleased the Red Sox won't be in the World Series this year, and that they didn't once again crawl out of the 3-1 hole. I know they're a good team and they're probably good guys, but that whole narrative was getting so played out for me. Did anyone besides Red Sox fans want to see them win? I guess it's more a fact of the "buzz" around them than anything else, but I find that whole organization immensely annoying. Anyone else agree?

Chris
Chris

I agree Dave, I think it should be a great series. The bullpen's in the series should be fantastic. The Phillies had the best pen in the NL and the Rays had the best pen in the AL.

daveinexile
daveinexile

Chip Carey - World biggest benefactor from not being Buck Jr.? Martinez and Darling didn’t get in the way of enjoying the game that much for me so over all I thank them. I think the Phillies have a better back end of the ‘Pen right now and recently (say past 10+ years) that seems to be the critical factor in most postseason series. I will be interested in seeing how both bullpens play out. It should be a fun series!