9 responses to “2008 Win Values for Position Players”

  1. waxpack

    I hadn’t really thought about individual player performance before the season started. The most I ventured was a guess that they’d finish 74-88 over on the sfgate discussion board.

    I’m interested in your thoughts on Molina re: trading him. According to Sabean (yesterday’s press conference that I read on Baggs’ blog), Sandoval is “penciled in” at first. I believe Sabean also said that any movement would happen more through trades than the free agent market. Should they choose to move Molina, who do you think they could get for him, and how would they fill the gap at catcher? Posey?

    I think this could be an interesting, even exciting off-season for the Giants.

  2. daveinexile

    I never thought Lewis would have the opportunity he got. I figured him and Nate would be spending time in Sabean Era Prospect Hell. Lewis also did better then I thought he would. He still fields the ball like Lonnie Smith but his ‘D” has gotten much better then I though as well.

    I also figure Bowker would not leave Fresno tell September.

    Waxpack: I think the Giants are in a position of strength here. If the offer does not suit the Giants just wait. With Pablo the Giants should be able to keep Molina nice and fresh and his number decent well into the season. Someone will want to give a decent inf. ( hopefully left side) help for him to charge after a pennant eventually.

  3. delorean

    I’m famous for my terrible predictions!

    I’ve been a big Sandoval booster since I saw him rake in SJ last year, but no one could have predicted what he would do in the bigs this year!

    The one guy I really got wrong was Erick Threets. Left-handed power pitchers don’t grow on trees, and I thought his stuff would be good enough to get hitters out at this level. Whoops on that.

  4. waxpack

    Do you guys think Sandoval has passed the “He’s had enough ABs for pitchers to adjust to him–now how’s he gonna do” test?

    I remember this being a criticism of Bowker–he tore it up the first couple of weeks or so, then cooled off considerably.

    Did Sandoval get enough of a look to “prove” he can put up numbers like he did consistently? I’m definitely not doubting that he can. I’m just not knowledgable enough to really make a prediction, but I’m guessing more than a few posters here are.

  5. FairweatherFan

    Yeah, I’m still a Velez supporter ;)

    It’s interesting that, as lamented as his defense has been – he’s been about twice as good as Ray Ray. I would not have expected that.

    Velez still has a lot to prove w/ the bat, but he took big steps doing so since Fresno. Hey may not make the starting 9 in 2009, but he should be on the 25.

    Predicting an appropriate sample size for Sandoval is hard because he isn’t your typical hitter. He doesn’t seem to swing and miss at any particular pitch, and as such it might be a while before the scouts figure out what his weakness is.

    But rest assured, he has a weakness. Once it is established, it then is just a question of how effectively pitchers can exploit that weakness.

    I think he will regress significantly in 2009, but would not be overly surprised to see him keep the BA a little over 300 for the whole season. (And I use BA as a metric because he’s not gonna walk much, so BA == OBP)

  6. Cookyman

    So if I’m reading the chart correctly, Vizquel could have paid us $5M – and we’d still be overpaying!

    What did you use for defense, +/-?

  7. baetown415

    Finally, what I’ve been waiting for because I was too lazy to do them myself.
    I just wanted to note that if Freddie had more PT (i.e. at the beginning of the season and w/o being derailed by the bunion) he probably would’ve been 2nd to Winn over Molina. I’m glad that he did as well as I hoped he would. It sucks that he didn’t get a chance to play full-time and hitting in front of Bonds but hopefully he’ll last long enough to hit in front of another legit slugger.
    Btw, is the *.8 for Plus/Minus rounded? I thought the value was closer to *.78 for some reason, but I’m not sure on that.

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