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Chris
Chris

I've read some reports on Martinez that he works around 90-91, which isn't terrible, about average for a MLB fastball. I'm guessing he gets good movement on his pitches or something because GB numbers. I think he's also got a fringey CB that he can spot well, a back of the rotation starter at best most likely but I like the year he's having. Would you rank Tanner over Sosa?

wcw
wcw

I did say, in the real world, probably Tanner. Martinez is a bad bet because he just doesn't have the stuff. He's Jonathan Sanchez's age, give or take, in double-A. He is, however, having his best year as a pro and sports a top-five FIP in his league, so I threw him in as a comment starter. Besides, you never know. Sanchez is putting up his second-straight year with pretty good numbers with the bat in the DSL. I had hoped he'd move up, and so have assumed he was flawed since he didn't. Still, unlike most Giants hitting prospects not named Villalona, he's not old for his level despite repeating it, still only 18.

Chris
Chris

@wcw I like your list and I'm interested that Martinez made your top-10. I like his year in AA, he's fringey but his GB% is a nice bonus that makes me think he could be for real. You're right that our system needs hitting and most our hitting prospects are high risk / high reward types. Villalona, Rodriguez, and Fairley are all HRHR-types, Posey is considered less of a risk, so he adds some stability to the system that can't be downplayed. Not a fan of Sosa? Good name drop on Hector Sanchez, I've never heard of him until now.

wcw
wcw

I love Bumgarner, but I now that the system has a few actual hitters in it I can't put a pitcher at #1, unless his name is Lincecum. I mean, Bumgarner is good and young and lefthanded, but The Kid schooled minor-league hitters in a way you rarely ever see. That gets you top-prospect billing. Anyone else, the risk of arm-fall-off-itis is just too high. My ten: 1. Posey. He's "signed" enough for me, he'll hit albeit not at superstar level, he'll play good defense at a premium position and he is advanced enough overall soundly to beat out.. 2. Villalona. Yes, he Ks too much. But at his age with his power.. whew. Quite some risk, but the upside with the bat is superior. Of course, I dream of a move back to third, but I suppose it is not to be. 3. Bumgarner. Doing everything but getting ground balls. If everything goes right, he'll be Matt Cain, but lefty, and without the walks. Or his arm falls off. Pitchers, pitchers.. 4. Gillaspie. Upside: the next Bill Mueller. Downside: below-average middle infield type. Yes, watching Castillo has been painful, but that's a pretty good downside. 5. Sandoval. Proved his summer-2007 breakout was for real. Tempted to move him to #4, but there are worries: the walk rate, mostly 6. Alderson. I like him lots, but he's a young pitcher deep in the arm-fall-off years. I can't see slotting him higher, especially with that home/road split. 7. Rodriguez. I believe the scouts. Probably overrated, but this is a weak system and he has potential. 8. Schierholtz. Good enough to play an average right field right now. 9. Noonan. He'll hit some, but I don't think he'll have the glove really to make that matter. 10. Joseph Martinez. Well, maybe not (in the real world, probably Tanner), but he's had a nice season and word is he's a really nice guy. Who-is-this-guy honorable mention: Hector Sanchez, DSL. Nice numbers, catcher, pretty young, but nobody cares. I assume he's flawed.

Chris
Chris

@Frank Thanks for the kudos. What worries me the most about Zito's lack of aggressiveness was when he walked the pitcher. If there was one guy he could have challenged, it was Wolf, but he just couldn't throw strikes. I have no idea if he has a physical problem throwing a baseball. Maybe it's mental. Maybe it's both. It boggles the mind.

fttts
fttts

Kudos, Chris, this is one of your best, and best written articles. Yes, it was entirely predictable what Zito's explanation would be. But while the carnage was occuring, it was evident that Astro hitters were laying off his pitches that were outside the zone AND that he was, if anything, nibbling more. I am basically OK with Rags and Molina - but where were they? That, it seems to me, is a situation that calls for the C or PC to go out and make sure the pitcher is aware of the changed hitting approach and Zito's apparant reaction. This is particularly true with Zito, I would think, where he has routinely lost his aggressiveness. Why not get out there and tell him, even tho the strike zone has shrunk, he's going to have to challenge.

Chris
Chris

@RV I think only in our wildest dreams... I haven't looked at when Zito melts down but my thinking is that it's happening at any time this year. @Delorean Gillaspie: Dude hits doubles! But he can also hit as well. I'm not overly concerned with Alderson's velo right now, he's K'ing guys decently and he's done extremely well at his level and at his age. He's probably performing as good as anyone could have hoped. I was slightly worried when he was drafted that he might end up in the bullpen -- because of his delivery and makeup some thought he could be "fast-tracked" (I hate that term) -- but I think he's shown this year that he's definitely cut out to start. Most reports I've seen say that he can break 90mph. Hopefully you either saw him on a low day or the stadium gun was a little off.

delorean
delorean

Connor Gillaspie: He hits doubles? Excellent analysis on the prospects, Chris; I don't see anything wrong with your list at all. You know my concerns about Alderson already. The Crawford pick and signing could turn into a major coup if he regains his form of a year ago. I really, really like that pick!

RV
RV

Hey, what are the chances that Zito will follow Castillo out to door? Yea, I know, just wishfull thinking. Are we really going to have to watch this guy every 5 days for the next 4 years? Wouldn't that qualify as "cruel and inhuman punishment"? BTW, is it just me, or have other people noticed that Zito tends to melt down right after he is given a lead? I don't have the stats to prove/ disprove it so I thought I'd throw it out there....

Chris
Chris

I feel like I might have Noonan a little high, maybe swap him out with Schierholtz? That would make some sense. But, I feel like I'm giving Noonan credit for peforming -- even if it's just a little -- over guys like Fairley and Rodriguez who are largely unproven.