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Chris
Chris

Hey Zo, Welcome to the blog! It's good to have more of you RMC dudes running around here ;) <blockquote cite>Does Molina have the trust and confidence of the pitchers? Does he know them well enough to make them feel comfortable with what he is calling so that they can relax and do their job? These seem to be elements of successful catching that can’t be quantified in stats - nor can I get a sense of it from watching games. If Molina does have these qualities, which would seem to be particularly valuable with a young staff, is he notably better than someone else</blockquote cite> This is why it's hard to quantify 'leadership' or whatever you want to call it. Because you can't see it's effects. Is Molina really a good clubhouse guy? Or is that just a tag that Kruk and Kuip like to throw on him? If he is a good clubhouse guy, does it even matter? We've had some discussions on this type of thing here before but I don't believe in it and I definitely don't think the announcing booth has any idea of if it truly exists. It's a nice story for viewers. "Rowand is a gamer, Molina is a calming influence" but that's all I take it as. A story. Game calling is an interesting subject because some guys are touted as being supreme game-callers. Keith Woolner of Baseball Prospectus did a study on this, with ex-Giant Mike Matheny a few years ago. Matheney has always been sold as a field general master game-caller. Here's the tasty bits from that study <cite>"Looking at these results, though we would colloquially say that game-calling doesn't exist, it's more accurate to say that if there is a true game-calling ability, it lies below the threshold of detection."</cite> That's similar to what I was saying above. Sure, chemistry might exist, so might game-calling, but it's such a small quality that it doesn't even register. Catchers have an impact on their pitchers, but it's more tangible (being able to throw out baserunners) than intangible (comforting the pitcher, calling the right pitches, working well together, etc.) You can read the study, here. <blockquote cite>I have also read your comments on Zito with a great deal of interest and I admire your analysis. We tend to think of injuries as a sudden blowout of some sort (Ow! I sprained my ankle!). The idea of adjusting a motion could be to prevent strain during the course of pitching (a precursor to an injury, if not an injury itself).</blockquote cite> I think you are dead on with this statement. Injuries don't always have to be a fiery explosion that has a player limping off the field, sometimes they cascade from other injuries into new injuries. For example, pitchers often lower their arm angles to reduce stress when they are having arm problems. John Smoltz did it when he became the Atlanta closer years ago and he tried it again this year when he attempted a come back. Mechanical changes can happen for these reasons. Zito has lowered his arm slot, supposedly, this year. I'm not saying he's injured but he is making changes and that's due to either injuries or ineffectiveness (such as trying to gain back velocity). Thanks for writing, hope to see more of you in the comments.

Zo
Zo

On a possible Molina trade, I am not one to subscribe to the "clubhouse chemistry" or other intangibles sort of nonsense, but if there is one position where it might have some merit, it is with a catcher. Does Molina have the trust and confidence of the pitchers? Does he know them well enough to make them feel comfortable with what he is calling so that they can relax and do their job? These seem to be elements of successful catching that can't be quantified in stats - nor can I get a sense of it from watching games. If Molina does have these qualities, which would seem to be particularly valuable with a young staff, is he notably better than someone else? I think that, as soon as Kruk started referring to Bengie as "Big Money Molina" it was predictable that he would come down to earth, and he has. But he has value way beyond his numbers, and even considering defensive lapses, if he can help the young pitching staff develop. I have also read your comments on Zito with a great deal of interest and I admire your analysis. We tend to think of injuries as a sudden blowout of some sort (Ow! I sprained my ankle!). The idea of adjusting a motion could be to prevent strain during the course of pitching (a precursor to an injury, if not an injury itself). This might be done consciously or subconsciously. I often listen to games on the radio rather than watch them on TV, but during Zito's last start, I couldn't help but notice what seems to me to be an extraordinary amount of time he spends shaking his left arm between pitches. Is this his normal practice? It looks like he is trying to keep his arm loose - and if he is trying to keep it loose several innings into a game, it suggests that it is too tight at this point, which is, again, either an injury or an injury in the making.

delorean
delorean

What a wacky and amazing game that was. The Giants look like my nephew's little league team sometimes, but as long as they beat the f'in' Dodgers, all is forgiven. And for no good reason at all, the first time I read the Taschner quote I thought it said "“I’ve been a Giant for 10 seasons, since before the time of slavery.” Shut up, brain!

daveinexile
daveinexile

I don’t think Correia successfully executed a single breaking ball in the 5th. Correct me if I am wrong. He kept his cool enough to not completely melt down so I don’t think he completely lost focus. His fastball seemed the same as the first 4 innings. I think he just run out of gas. He has only thrown 63 innings this year so to me that points to not healed instead of , say, a conditioning problem. As for supposed fixation on Jacobs perhaps the Fish need to realize we took Messenger because we were desperate to move He Who Starts Large Tire Fires ( ‘Mando). We are not desperate to move Molina. The front office love affair with Winn is really beginning to severally annoy me. He is a good, solid, little player. But at this point they should consider any trade with a tasty ham sandwich as the center piece becuase we need that roster slot. The Giants are likely to need another pitcher soon. ( Correia can’t soak up innings, Zito is questionable, they may need to shut down ( or drastically reduce) the work load of either of the 3 young guns.) We have like the 4th worst record in the MLB with about 1/3 of a season left. Its play the kids and fringe guys. But you can’t do that if they are in the minors. I best stop before i go into rant mode.

Chris
Chris

Also, I just can't see the Giants trading Molina. I would make that deal if the prospects were right (the mythical young position players), but I think he might also have some good value to the Giants as a platoon-mate with Pablo for next year. No way the Giants should or would dump a full year of catching duty on Pablito next year, that is if he makes the '09 starting roster. If the Giants do miraculously move Molina, here's a list of FA catchers for next year from Cots Contracts. Rod Barajas TOR Henry Blanco * CHC Johnny Estrada MIL Toby Hall * CWS Adam Melhuse TEX Mike Redmond * MIN Ivan Rodriguez DET David Ross * CIN Javier Valentin CIN Jason Varitek BOS Vance Wilson DET Gregg Zaun * TOR The * denotes that the player has an option.

Chris
Chris

Say, from what I know, the Fielding Bible don’t publish anything but the best and worse by position and league for 1 year and 3 years in the Bill James Handbook. Since you have his -10, does that mean he was one of the worse in the NL in 2007 or did they start publishing again - it is my understanding that 2009 was when they hope to publish again. Yeah, he was in the bottom for 1B's in '07. He wasn't the worst, that honor went to Dmitri Young who was an astounding -22 as a 1B. Nomar, Sexson, and Fielder were all worse than Jacobs and Hatteberg was tied with him at -10. I really need to subscribe to James' new site, I know it has updated +/- numbers.

obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

Nice post, enjoyed reading it. Hopefully Correia is getting back to the way he was at the end of 2007, I would cut him a break on this big inning when there was two errors taking away two easy outs, but that's me. Ya, ixnay on the ike-May acob-Jay. I am not too impressed with him either. I would want - and don't expect them to trade for Molina and Taschner - Chris Coghlan, Matt Dominguez, and Mike Stanton, with Dominguez being the most preferred because he's a 3B - Coghlan is a 2B and we have Noonan plus numerous guys looking to play 2B now, and Stanton is an OF and way down in the minors, though with that power he's showing in A-ball, I wouldn't mind him either, we can figure things out should he make the majors. Say, from what I know, the Fielding Bible don't publish anything but the best and worse by position and league for 1 year and 3 years in the Bill James Handbook. Since you have his -10, does that mean he was one of the worse in the NL in 2007 or did they start publishing again - it is my understanding that 2009 was when they hope to publish again.