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obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

Media guide has no info on the AFL either. Maybe mlb.com? I googled and found Project Prospect blurb on him: strained oblique so he didn't even pitch one pitch in 2007's AFL. I would also adjust his numbers from the bullpen in terms of wear and tear on his arm, though I don't have a rule of thumb, nor have seen one. I would do that because 1) pitchers throw harder when they are relievers, and 2) they get up and down in the bullpen throwing a lot, pitches that aren't counted but should be more than a starter would be throwing. I would agree that minor league IP is easier because you're facing AAAA hitters or worse mostly, but unless you were cruising like Lincecum was, there is still a good amount of stress involved with throwing in AAA, as you want to prove yourself to the team. Just pulling it out of my nether region, if you assume 1.5 times, then he has had around 125 IP for two years then 100 IP last season. Krukow has always said that you don't want to jump more than 25 IP over the previous year, so assuming he has been conditioned for 125 IP from the prior two seasons, that would put his warning level at 150 IP, or about 40 IP, or 7 starts away. That would put us around early to mid August. Then I would follow what MrLomez said and watch him, before shutting him down around the end of August. I would not worry too much about the starters, but I would probably like to see a 6-man rotation by September, along with Sanchez being taken out. Misch could be one starter, maybe bring up someone doing well to take other spot. That would also lessen load on Cain and Lincecum.

MrLomez
MrLomez

Nice. I was wondering how these graphs would turn out. I'm surprised Lincy's graph isn't a little more drastic. He seems to hover pretty consistently between 50-70. With all his K's, you'd think (I'd think) he'd have hit 80 at least a coupla times this year. Otherwise, it's just as expected. As far as Sanchez, I'm not worried. At some point you have to turn these kids loose. Admittedly it's a huge jump to 200IP, but I think this is as good a time as any to see what kind of horse he is. If I remember correctly, all of DS's past injuries have been non-arm ones (an oblique thing I think, and maybe a back thing). His arm has never been fragile, so until there is a noticeable let-down with him, a drop in velocity, or a prolonged bout of poor command, I think you have to just let him keep taking the hill every 5th.

delorean
delorean

"I wonder if the Giants have any idea?" One can only hope that Tidrow or someone else not named Bochy, Righetti, or Sabean is paying attention to these things, or we might have a Situation Mark Prior in our future. Six-man rotation seems like a fine idea, but Boulderdome would NEVER go for it (That's not playing the game the right way!). Jeebus, please don't let them end Dirrrrty's career!

Chris
Chris

Yeah, I posted it over there, too! Sometimes I'll do that because I wanted to share it and not everyone at McC reads BCB. Sanchez's innings total might be slightly higher for last year because I think he pitched in winter ball or the AFL, or something, but I can't find any totals if he did. At most, he probably tacked on 30-some innings, which brings him to around 100 for last year, if he did pitch in such a league. I've always thought that Sanchez was unfairly pegged as an injury risk because of his size, despite that he threw 125 innings in '05 as a starter. The Giants then started to move him around between starting and relieving and he never built upon those 125 innings. Here's his total innings per year (includes minors and majors). 2004 - 48 IP 2005 - 125.2 IP 2006 - 95 IP (55 in the minors, 40 in the majors) 2007 - 75.2 IP (23.2 in the minors, 52 in the majors ) 2008 - 111 IP (on pace for over 200 IP) These totals don't have any winter league stuff in them because I can't readily find the information. Put aside the debate of whether or not major league innings are more stressful than minor league innings (which I think they are) and you can see that Sanchez is heading into new territory as far as workloads for him go. I definitely want to protect his arm, but it's a tricky situation. Do you sit him when he's had such good success? Or do you continue to start him? Use a 6-man rotation? I'm really not sure right now and I wonder if the Giants have any idea?

delorean
delorean

I hate summer repeats... j/k, but i did just read the abbreviated version of this over at McC. Is the 75 innings for Sanchez a previous career high? I don't know squat about biomechanics or anything, but going from 75 to 200ish innings sounds like a recipe for dead arm to me. Maybe there's a not-serious-injury-related trip to the DL in Dirty's future. Call up Henn, I don't care, but don't shred Jonathan's arm this season!!

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