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Chris
Chris

Mr Lomez, Funny that you mention Game Scores because after working on these plots today, I was thinking that GS's would be interesting to look at in a graph form. And despite it's flaws, it might be a better indicator of individual performance since WPA is based in the context of when a player performs. Thanks for the feedback, I think I'll plot some of them tomorrow or over the weekend. It would be easy to get them since BB-Ref's PI tool is awesome.

MrLomez
MrLomez

Do you ever look at Game Scores? I'd bet you're familiar with it but in case not it's a Bill James stat that uses a VERY BASIC formula to measure overall pitching performance. Though imperfect, the stat is elegant, and tells a meaningful story. Baseball-Reference keeps track of the stat in its year by year gamelogs. Anyway, I was wondering what a line graph of Zito's average GS would look like over, say, his past 4 or 5 seasons. Specifically, I wonder what kind of precipitous decline there would be, and if that decline would begin before or after 2007. I'd do it myself but a) I'm lazy and b) you seem to be a wizard with whatever graphing app you use. Or not. Though, it may be something to look into if you ever get bored.

Chris
Chris

OGC, >> But picking a nit, Zito WAS “better” after his bullpen “break”, just not good, which is the spot-on point I think you were trying to make, as what use would he be for the money if he’s only average or near average. We need above average performance. I was saying that better is kinda relative when you're stinking up the joint as badly as Zito was early in this season. In fact, I heard much hub-bub about how Zito had figured it out or how he was going to go on a roll. Which in fact when he came back, he still had control problems but wasn't giving up 8 runs a game. Thats what I mean. >> I would also note that another key sign is his velocity returning to the high 80’s that many believe he needs to throw at to be effective. He had not reached that once his whole time as a Giant, from what I can recall. Yes, maybe he won’t repeat it, but I consider this a breakthrough. The velocity question is interesting because it was a nice sign but his velocity has been sketchy since he joined the Giants. If the lower arm slot made some mechanical change, that'd be great. But like most things, I need to see him do it again a few times. I've got the feeling it might come and go. For fun, I did plots of Zito from 05-07. Two years with the A's and his first year with the Giants. <img src="http://www.baycityball.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/zitowpa05.png"> His total WPA for '05 is +0.40 <img src="http://www.baycityball.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/zitowpa06.png"> Total WPA for '06 is +2.08 <img src="http://www.baycityball.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/zitowpa07.png"> Total WPA for '07 is 0.04 (career low) His total WPA for this year is -2.00 (The first time he's ever posted a negative WPA and would be a career low if his season ended today). By WPA, his peek years were 2000-2003, he had down years in 2004-2005, a boost in 2006, and drastic lows in 2007-2008.

obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

Very nice stats! Very interesting. But picking a nit, Zito WAS "better" after his bullpen "break", just not good, which is the spot-on point I think you were trying to make, as what use would he be for the money if he's only average or near average. We need above average performance. And that's what he delivered yesterday. That .355 WPA in yesterday's start would be among the best for Lincecum and Sanchez, and is better than what Cain has done this season, so that is a very good performance, a pretty positive sign, though not conclusive as you aptly noted. I would also note that another key sign is his velocity returning to the high 80's that many believe he needs to throw at to be effective. He had not reached that once his whole time as a Giant, from what I can recall. Yes, maybe he won't repeat it, but I consider this a breakthrough. Plus, from his quotes after the game, he finally seemed to hit bottom mentally and emotionally with the previous start, and might be in the right state of mind now to not think so much on the mound and, like Nike states, "Just Do It". Do you have the WPA plot for Zito's 2007 and perhaps 2006? I think it would be very interesting to see how this last start stacks among all his Giants starts plus his starts in his last season with the A's, which is when some people say that he started a steeper downturn in peripherals that caused them to predict that he would not do well going forward.

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