Comments on: Yes We Cain! http://www.baycityball.com/2008/06/10/yes-we-cain/ Giants Baseball With a Side of STATS Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:00:01 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chris http://www.baycityball.com/2008/06/10/yes-we-cain/comment-page-1/#comment-3405 Chris Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:50:44 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/?p=263#comment-3405 $14.5 this year, $18M next ;) Cain has always been an extreme flyball pitcher, but his first two years of full season starting he really kept the ball in the yard. Something like 7% in '06 and 5% last year. Cain is essentially striking out hitters and walking hitters at the same rate this year than previous years. K% 06 - 21.9 07 - 19.6 08 - 20.0 BB% 06 - 10.6 07 - 9.5 08 - 10.8 The difference comes in when you look at his HR/F ratio HR/F 06 - 7.1 07 - 5.5 08 - 10.3 >> And I found it funny that you mention how poor a hitting team the Nats are, but Cain gave up 8 hits in 6.1 innings, he was lucky to get out with only 1 run given up. One of those hits was the weak chopper that Clippard hit. I'm just happy that his walks were down and he didn't give up the longball. I'd love to do a PFX analysis of his start but I just don't have the time to pull all that data today, it's a shame too, I bet theres some good info in there. Sorry about the website problems, my host is having some hiccups today, hopefully they clear up soon. $14.5 this year, $18M next ;)

Cain has always been an extreme flyball pitcher, but his first two years of full season starting he really kept the ball in the yard. Something like 7% in ‘06 and 5% last year.

Cain is essentially striking out hitters and walking hitters at the same rate this year than previous years.

K%
06 – 21.9
07 – 19.6
08 – 20.0

BB%
06 – 10.6
07 – 9.5
08 – 10.8

The difference comes in when you look at his HR/F ratio

HR/F
06 – 7.1
07 – 5.5
08 – 10.3

>> And I found it funny that you mention how poor a hitting team the Nats are, but Cain gave up 8 hits in 6.1 innings, he was lucky to get out with only 1 run given up.

One of those hits was the weak chopper that Clippard hit. I’m just happy that his walks were down and he didn’t give up the longball.

I’d love to do a PFX analysis of his start but I just don’t have the time to pull all that data today, it’s a shame too, I bet theres some good info in there.

Sorry about the website problems, my host is having some hiccups today, hopefully they clear up soon.

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.baycityball.com/2008/06/10/yes-we-cain/comment-page-1/#comment-3404 obsessivegiantscompulsive Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:24:09 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/?p=263#comment-3404 FYI, I've been having problems pulling up your website today, plus a while to post the above... FYI, I’ve been having problems pulling up your website today, plus a while to post the above…

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.baycityball.com/2008/06/10/yes-we-cain/comment-page-1/#comment-3403 obsessivegiantscompulsive Tue, 10 Jun 2008 17:23:29 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/?p=263#comment-3403 Actually, about $14M, his salary this year is $14.5M, but, to paraphrase a long-ago politician, a million here, a million there, pretty soon you're talking a lot of money. :^) Homeruns are really a function of flyballs and random luck (except perhaps in Colorado, Texas, and probably Philadelphia), so I think the much better indication of Cain's performance is his number of walks - one - and his K/BB ratio, which was 6:1. And I found it funny that you mention how poor a hitting team the Nats are, but Cain gave up 8 hits in 6.1 innings, he was lucky to get out with only 1 run given up. Cain usually keeps the hit total low, but I think I'll take this if it means he only walks one batter per game. As far as being back on track, I think we need to take it one game at a time with Cain. As good as he's been, he's always been feast or famine, but usually sometime in the summer things click in and he is just super overall. I wasn't worried about him now, I was much more worried his first full season with us, and less so but still very worried last season, but he's a relatively known quality now, he's going to have his ups and downs. And that's OK because his ups are way better than his downs. Just roll with it. What I would really like to see is one of your great Pitch F/X analysis of Cain's start in Wash, to see how different it was compared to previous starts or something. Actually, about $14M, his salary this year is $14.5M, but, to paraphrase a long-ago politician, a million here, a million there, pretty soon you’re talking a lot of money. :^)

Homeruns are really a function of flyballs and random luck (except perhaps in Colorado, Texas, and probably Philadelphia), so I think the much better indication of Cain’s performance is his number of walks – one – and his K/BB ratio, which was 6:1.

And I found it funny that you mention how poor a hitting team the Nats are, but Cain gave up 8 hits in 6.1 innings, he was lucky to get out with only 1 run given up. Cain usually keeps the hit total low, but I think I’ll take this if it means he only walks one batter per game.

As far as being back on track, I think we need to take it one game at a time with Cain. As good as he’s been, he’s always been feast or famine, but usually sometime in the summer things click in and he is just super overall. I wasn’t worried about him now, I was much more worried his first full season with us, and less so but still very worried last season, but he’s a relatively known quality now, he’s going to have his ups and downs. And that’s OK because his ups are way better than his downs. Just roll with it.

What I would really like to see is one of your great Pitch F/X analysis of Cain’s start in Wash, to see how different it was compared to previous starts or something.

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