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Chris
Chris

OGC, Thanks for the very nice words! I'm glad you've enjoyed them, I've enjoyed writing them. Good call on the Indians also drafting him. They attempted to draft him in the 42 round. What a pickup he would have been for the Cubs or Indians if they had managed to sign him. On his college years, definitely not saying that his walk rate was excellent, it was a legitimate concern for teams looking at him, but his pure stuff and strikeout rates were excellent and a good indicator that he could succeed at the next level if he could improve his control, which he gradually did in college. After I finish the Correia piece, I think I might look at other swing through rates of top starters. Maybe something like do the swing through rates for the top 10 starters last year by xFIP or something? I'm glad that you'd take Lincecum over guys like Perry and Montefusco, guys that I never got to actually see pitch. But Perry was a HOFer and had some truly outstanding seasons. His '72 season after he left the Giants was incredible: 324.7 IP, 24 Wins, 16 Loses, ERA+ of 170. Thats great company for Lincecum to be a part of. Yay Lincecm!

obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

First off, thank you again, both for this great analysis and your series thus far. I've looked forward to each and every one. But particularly this one. I thought I would add a few bits of info that would be interesting to your readers. First is that he was selected in the draft in 2005 as well (Cleveland if memory serves; but memory been bad lately but no time for me to check), pretty late (definitely past 20th round, feels like it could have been in the 40's) but they went above slot to try to sign him. They offered pretty good money (I'm thinking $500-750K range; again, have to check) but he didn't sign because he wanted $1M. He also had a figure he wanted when the Giants drafted him, which was the bonus money the 10th pick got in 2005, and did not sign until he got that. Based on other teams' bonuses, the 10th pick was slotted to get around $1.8M; Lincecum signed for $2M (likes even numbers, I don't blame him). About his pitching in college, I'm sorry but I have to disagree with terming 6+ BB/9 as excellent baseball. He pitched well overall, resulting in good results despite the high walk rate. And 4.52 BB/9 is still very high, though I would add that The Hardball Times had a study last month where the analysis showed that a high walk rate is actually OK as long as the strikeout rate is high enough that the K/BB ratio is in the 2's and above. So that high rate is acceptable given his high K/9 rate but not, as I note, excellent. Common benchmark for excellence in BB/9 is getting it under 3.0 BB/9, so Lincecum - for the season - was far from that mark, though that high rate (and high ERA) was mainly due to his roughly one horrible month of pitching that followed his first month in the majors. Great analysis on his ability to get swing throughs at such a high rate. I think it would be interesting if you could, when you are done with the Giants starters (I guess Correia and maybe Sanchez and Misch), you could take a look at someone like Johan Santana or Felix Hernandez, and see how Tim compares with him. Or if there is some other site out there that calculates the average swing through rates by pitch in the majors, something to compare Tim's rates against. What I'm hoping is that, as you astutely note, as hitters adjust and get used to his mechanics, his addition of a slider will further throw hitters off-balanced and allow him to continue to get high swing throughs. About history, yeah, I have to agree that the Giants haven't really had a good history of good pitchers, which is why I feel so lucky that we have Cain and Lincecum at the same time. The best starters while I've been a Giants fan besides our current phenoms, are probably, Schmidt, Gaylord Perry, Vida Blue, John "the Count" Montefusco, and probably in that order in terms of what they did for the Giants while I was watching them. As much as I loved having Schmidt, Perry, and Montefusco on our team, I think I would take Cain and Lincecum over any two starters since 1971. I agree that Lincecum is special now, and if he can improve his control further - he was not that far away when he was at his best last season - he can not only be elite, but one of the best pitchers of his generation.