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Chris
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Hey OGC, Chris, you must take age into account when comparing how hitters do in the PCL, particularly once they get past the age of 30, though high 20’s is bad too. For example, Brian Dallimore led the league in hitting but was in his 30’s too, like Justin Leone. Their experience, plus they should be at their physical peaks, gives them a huge advantage over the young pitchers who just came up to AAA and particularly those pitchers who are not good enough to make the majors. That’s why Leone didn’t sniff the majors (well that and probably there was one space left on the 40-man and they decided to check out McCain instead). Sure, age is important but he's only 25 and thats pushing it as far as age goes, but he's not 30 like Leone was. I still think Leone should have gotten the call last year, he would be been more valuable than Feliz and in a perfect world, would have probably taken over Aurilia's role (bench util. guy, he can play the corners, third, and first) According to the prospect book I follow, Jamie D’Atona has average power skill, way below average batting average skill, below average speed skill, and below average defense skill. This takes into account the player’s age and level played. Here’s what they said in his blurb: “Widened stance and focused on making hard contact, which improved power and BA substantially. Bat speed and power have always been present, but wasn’t patient and didn’t make good contact. Average defender at both corner infield spots and caught in the AFL.” That analyst thinks he’s no more than a reserve 1B/3B. Nice numbers though, I have to admit. Would be a good flier if we didn’t have Aurilia already backing up both. How current is that book? The few quotes I found on him from BA were from 06-07 and it made like it sound that's shortened up his swing more to make better contact. He would probably be a reserve 1B/3B on most teams but he could conceivably crack the Giants already weak selection of 1B's and 3B's. I don’t know the benchmark but I thought ground balls normally are very low in terms of batting average. Obviously I don’t know the range so perhaps this is below average, but thought I would throw it out there to see if someone has the numbers, I know I’ve seen it somewhere, but can not recall where right now. I haven't been able to find the general average on GB's but I'm sure it's out there, I'll do some more searching. .187 to the left side of the field seems a little low to me. I know that guys like Juan Pierre, Willy Taveras, and Ichiro can bat anywhere from .300-.400 on GB's to the left side of the field. Even Omar Vizquel, who's still sorta-speedy but closer to average these days, hit .260-ish on GB's to the left side.

daveinexile
daveinexile

O.G.C my understanding of the Rule 5 now ( it has changed a bit recently) if you Rule 5 a player you have to play him at a level above what he was last year. So players like Hernandez or Whitney do not have to stay on the Big Club just stay above the level they last played. Whitney’s case AA or higher. Hernandez’s AAA. Which is another reason I like the Hernandez move ( if he can field). A nice, cheap, young insurance policy that might have some upside and that can be carried in Fresno or shuffled back and forth if need be. He is not in the Giants medium or long term plans so they can be a bit rougher with his play time and not be as concerned as stunting his “growth”. I don’t see him as “ the answer” at short stop as much a nice possible 1-2 year stop gap for a good price - If he can field. O.G.C. thank you greatly for the run down on Hernandez.

obsessivegiantscompu
obsessivegiantscompu

Chris, you must take age into account when comparing how hitters do in the PCL, particularly once they get past the age of 30, though high 20's is bad too. For example, Brian Dallimore led the league in hitting but was in his 30's too, like Justin Leone. Their experience, plus they should be at their physical peaks, gives them a huge advantage over the young pitchers who just came up to AAA and particularly those pitchers who are not good enough to make the majors. That's why Leone didn't sniff the majors (well that and probably there was one space left on the 40-man and they decided to check out McCain instead). According to the prospect book I follow, Jamie D'Atona has average power skill, way below average batting average skill, below average speed skill, and below average defense skill. This takes into account the player's age and level played. Here's what they said in his blurb: "Widened stance and focused on making hard contact, which improved power and BA substantially. Bat speed and power have always been present, but wasn't patient and didn't make good contact. Average defender at both corner infield spots and caught in the AFL." That analyst thinks he's no more than a reserve 1B/3B. Nice numbers though, I have to admit. Would be a good flier if we didn't have Aurilia already backing up both. I don't know the benchmark but I thought ground balls normally are very low in terms of batting average. Obviously I don't know the range so perhaps this is below average, but thought I would throw it out there to see if someone has the numbers, I know I've seen it somewhere, but can not recall where right now. Diory was so bad previously that he didn't show up on any of the prospect books I read. Looking at his stats, he didn't deserve any attention until this year. Looks like 2007 might be a fluke year, though I guess it is possible he figured things out suddenly, that does happen, and he wasn't that bad age-wise, 23 in AA, lots of those in the league. Must be horrible on the bases to be caught almost 50% of the time though. Based on past seasons (hardly any steals), looks like they just let him run this season to see if he could, as a last ditch effort to see if he has any value. I think it is telling that Atlanta, who recently traded away their starting SS (plus another very promising SS in Elvis), so they could really use a backup SS for their new barely tested starting SS (Yunel), just in case. However they decided that Diory wasn't worth saving and used a 40 spot on someone else. Still, if it is a flier we are taking, he seems to be worth taking. Matt Whitney sounds interesting, though not for the majors, isn't there a Rule 5 for the minors too? He was in A+ in 2007 (and frankly a bit on the older side for the league so that could explain his power), so maybe he can platoon with Ishikawa in AAA? Get two boomers switching off there.

daveinexile
daveinexile

I love the hit chart very nice touch! If Sabean is determined to put 2 rabbits at the top of the order and ( presuming) Winn is in the 3 hole a guy that hits Sac Fly’s in 5-7 spots could be a nice up grade for the Giants ’08 offense over the ‘07 offense. I am in complete agreement of taking a flier on this guy. If the Giants pulled a trade he does not block an established bat in anyway. Given how many times Bochy ran out of catchers last year and the state of the Ortmeire experiment at first I would hope the Front office is already doing back ground checks on him. *** Another name that intrigues me is Diory Hernandez. 308/ 366/ 429 ( BA/OPB /SLG) 31 BB 79 K, 24 SB though 22 CS ate age 23 between A+ & AA (115 games at AA). He does not catch my eye as much as D'Antona put I keep thinking about Aurila playing short if Omar goes down and it really has me wondering about how good a glove this guy has? He played 48 games at 2nd so has roster flexibility. A flyer on a good glove SS that young would not be a bad thing in my eyes at all. He is ahead of anyone the Giants have in the farm. If he fails he at least has bought another year for one of the other SS’s to get out and stay out of A ball. Does any one here have any insights to cool my growing infatuation with him wearing Orange & Black?