Comments on: Land Of Lefties http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/ Giants Baseball With a Side of STATS Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:00:01 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Chris http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-1309 Chris Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:42:21 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/#comment-1309 You're right that Blackley has struggled some this year. But comparing him to Ortiz, I don't have any reason to believe that Ortiz can do any better at the major league level. Ortiz has had a small sample size this year, your BABIP numbers could be reflected in that, but the past couple of seasons seem to ring more truth to what he has than anything else. You’re right that Blackley has struggled some this year. But comparing him to Ortiz, I don’t have any reason to believe that Ortiz can do any better at the major league level.

Ortiz has had a small sample size this year, your BABIP numbers could be reflected in that, but the past couple of seasons seem to ring more truth to what he has than anything else.

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-1305 obsessivegiantscompulsive Tue, 07 Aug 2007 23:46:35 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/#comment-1305 If I thought Blackley was any good, then I would agree. Look at his stats: .266/.346/.451/.797, 1.49 WHIP, 131 hits in 124.2 IP, 1.04 HR/9, 4.0 BB/9, and 7.0 K/9. Those are only OK if they were done in the majors but since it is AAA, it would only get worse if he made the majors. There is nothing exceptional in any way in those stats, he gives up too many walks and hits and extra-base hits, but don't get too many strikeouts, that's pretty much a shutout as far as showing any skills as a pitcher. I haven't given up on him yet, but he's shown nothing this year that would encourage me to give him a shot. At least right now, I can say that the neuritis was affecting Ortiz earlier in the season and caused his poor stats. At minimum, if you strike the stats in the horrible start when they determinted that he had neuritis, his ERA was 4.50 with 14 K to 7 BB (2 to 1 ratio you want to see), and his BABIP was a high .356, suggesting that he had some bad luck with the hits there. With a BABIP of .300, he would have given up only 27 hits instead of 33 in his 26 IP.That would be a WHIP of 1.31, which is good. If it was a choice between Ortiz and Misch, it would be Misch all the way, but with Lowry missing at least one start, may as well give Ortiz the starts, he might still do something with them, whereas Blackley looks like he'll be Rueter-like in that he gives up a lot of walks while not striking out too many, but un-Rueter-like in that he will give up a lot of hits and his ERA will be bloated. If I thought Blackley was any good, then I would agree. Look at his stats: .266/.346/.451/.797, 1.49 WHIP, 131 hits in 124.2 IP, 1.04 HR/9, 4.0 BB/9, and 7.0 K/9. Those are only OK if they were done in the majors but since it is AAA, it would only get worse if he made the majors. There is nothing exceptional in any way in those stats, he gives up too many walks and hits and extra-base hits, but don’t get too many strikeouts, that’s pretty much a shutout as far as showing any skills as a pitcher.

I haven’t given up on him yet, but he’s shown nothing this year that would encourage me to give him a shot. At least right now, I can say that the neuritis was affecting Ortiz earlier in the season and caused his poor stats. At minimum, if you strike the stats in the horrible start when they determinted that he had neuritis, his ERA was 4.50 with 14 K to 7 BB (2 to 1 ratio you want to see), and his BABIP was a high .356, suggesting that he had some bad luck with the hits there. With a BABIP of .300, he would have given up only 27 hits instead of 33 in his 26 IP.That would be a WHIP of 1.31, which is good.

If it was a choice between Ortiz and Misch, it would be Misch all the way, but with Lowry missing at least one start, may as well give Ortiz the starts, he might still do something with them, whereas Blackley looks like he’ll be Rueter-like in that he gives up a lot of walks while not striking out too many, but un-Rueter-like in that he will give up a lot of hits and his ERA will be bloated.

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]]> By: Chris http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-1302 Chris Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:49:16 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/#comment-1302 Sure, St. Louis might take a shot at Ortiz but thats because they've taken a shot at every other bad pitcher on the market. Joel Pinerio, Kip Wells, Mike Maroth, the list goes on. They're also 8 games under .500 and 8 games back in their respective division. I guess I just don't see the value in Russ Ortiz or why anyone would actively try to trade for him. Doesn't almost every major league team already have a guy in AAA that can do what Ortiz has done this year? His 5.40 ERA and 1.571 WHIP seem to indicate to me that he's still not a very good pitcher. I don't get the love for Ortiz, he was good 5 years ago but that's been a long time. My only hope for Blackley is that he's pitched well now and then in the PCL, so it's not like he's completely done. Any dividends payed off by trying to throw Ortiz out for a few starts to try and trade him over the waiver wire pale in comparison to trying to find out what the Giants have for 2008 and beyond, thats why I think we should let Blackely start if Lowry is injured. Sure, St. Louis might take a shot at Ortiz but thats because they’ve taken a shot at every other bad pitcher on the market. Joel Pinerio, Kip Wells, Mike Maroth, the list goes on. They’re also 8 games under .500 and 8 games back in their respective division.

I guess I just don’t see the value in Russ Ortiz or why anyone would actively try to trade for him. Doesn’t almost every major league team already have a guy in AAA that can do what Ortiz has done this year? His 5.40 ERA and 1.571 WHIP seem to indicate to me that he’s still not a very good pitcher. I don’t get the love for Ortiz, he was good 5 years ago but that’s been a long time.

My only hope for Blackley is that he’s pitched well now and then in the PCL, so it’s not like he’s completely done.

Any dividends payed off by trying to throw Ortiz out for a few starts to try and trade him over the waiver wire pale in comparison to trying to find out what the Giants have for 2008 and beyond, thats why I think we should let Blackely start if Lowry is injured.

]]> By: obsessivegiantscompulsive http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/comment-page-1/#comment-1301 obsessivegiantscompulsive Tue, 07 Aug 2007 00:28:34 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/08/06/land-of-lefties/#comment-1301 Use Ortiz long enough to allow us to trade Ortiz to a competing team. Think St. Louis wouldn't mind him now? What about all the other teams? But they won't give up much until they see him pitch again. He's not going to net that much in trade, but that's more than we had with him so why not? Now if Blackeley was doing well in AAA, then I might feel differently, but he's only doing OK according to most accounts I have seen, so holding him back in AAA won't really slow his developmennt any, in fact, it could slow it bringing him up. Use Ortiz long enough to allow us to trade Ortiz to a competing team. Think St. Louis wouldn’t mind him now? What about all the other teams? But they won’t give up much until they see him pitch again.

He’s not going to net that much in trade, but that’s more than we had with him so why not? Now if Blackeley was doing well in AAA, then I might feel differently, but he’s only doing OK according to most accounts I have seen, so holding him back in AAA won’t really slow his developmennt any, in fact, it could slow it bringing him up.

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