Comments on: The Start Of Something Beautiful? http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/ Giants Baseball With a Side of STATS Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:00:01 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: fttts http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-948 fttts Wed, 27 Jun 2007 00:43:16 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/#comment-948 I would rather see Misch than Kline, too, but that is not the issue. The issue is whether or not Kline was a viable choice at that point of the game. I say he difinitely was. He has been at least as relaible as Chulk and Correia (I haven't researched that assertion). He had a decent April (3.38 ERA) and June. His June ERA is 1.59 and the only runs he's given up in 11.1 IP are the two tainted runs from last night. He gave up 7 ERs in May, but 4 of those came in a game we were already buried in (he loaded the bases, then gave up a slam to Ellis = 4 ER, 0 outs). He had one other semi poor outing against Colo, where he faced one hitter who got on then scored when Hennessey melted down. Sure, they count, but take them out and in the other 8 or 9 appearances in May he gave up 2 ERs. Up until the bogus runs from last night his ERA was 3.60. With two exceptions, all of our RPs have ERAs in the 3s, which means all of them are going to give up a run every 2nd or 3d appearance. Kline has several (most of his apperances) scoreless appearances and, while he gives up hits, gives up few HRs (1 all season, to a RH hitter), and has a 20/8 GO/AO ratio to LH hitters this year. Obviously, Bochy wanted LH RPS to face Cruz and Gonzalez. He had Taschner (5.48 ERA) and Sanchez (3.96 ERA), both of whom pitched the night before. I don't have any problem with the decision. I have a much bigger problem with the lackluster defense at a critcal juncture of the game. If the defense was doing their job, there would be a runner on 1st, 1 out when Kline came out. Huge difference. Much less pressure on Correia. I would rather see Misch than Kline, too, but that is not the issue. The issue is whether or not Kline was a viable choice at that point of the game. I say he difinitely was. He has been at least as relaible as Chulk and Correia (I haven’t researched that assertion). He had a decent April (3.38 ERA) and June. His June ERA is 1.59 and the only runs he’s given up in 11.1 IP are the two tainted runs from last night. He gave up 7 ERs in May, but 4 of those came in a game we were already buried in (he loaded the bases, then gave up a slam to Ellis = 4 ER, 0 outs). He had one other semi poor outing against Colo, where he faced one hitter who got on then scored when Hennessey melted down. Sure, they count, but take them out and in the other 8 or 9 appearances in May he gave up 2 ERs. Up until the bogus runs from last night his ERA was 3.60. With two exceptions, all of our RPs have ERAs in the 3s, which means all of them are going to give up a run every 2nd or 3d appearance. Kline has several (most of his apperances) scoreless appearances and, while he gives up hits, gives up few HRs (1 all season, to a RH hitter), and has a 20/8 GO/AO ratio to LH hitters this year. Obviously, Bochy wanted LH RPS to face Cruz and Gonzalez. He had Taschner (5.48 ERA) and Sanchez (3.96 ERA), both of whom pitched the night before. I don’t have any problem with the decision. I have a much bigger problem with the lackluster defense at a critcal juncture of the game. If the defense was doing their job, there would be a runner on 1st, 1 out when Kline came out. Huge difference. Much less pressure on Correia.

]]> By: Chris http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-943 Chris Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:14:21 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/#comment-943 Oh, and the last thing I wanted to say is that I don't blame Kline as much for the 8th inning as I do Bochy. I have no idea why he chose to use Kline, it could possibly be because the bullpen was tired and he's got a rubber arm but I still don't like to see him late in the game like that. The defense did let him down though. Oh, and the last thing I wanted to say is that I don’t blame Kline as much for the 8th inning as I do Bochy. I have no idea why he chose to use Kline, it could possibly be because the bullpen was tired and he’s got a rubber arm but I still don’t like to see him late in the game like that.

The defense did let him down though.

]]> By: Chris http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-942 Chris Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:12:51 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/#comment-942 If Kline isn't walking a tight rope then what is he doing? His peripherals just aren't good at all, and its not some SABR nerd stat talk here. He's not striking guys out and he's giving up more hits than innings pitched. Pretty simple. He's just not a good bet to be one of the stronger members of this bullpen. His WHIP is 1.773 he's not that great of a LOOGY either. <strong>Versus Left Handed Hitting</strong> 2006 - .261/.340/.337 2007 - .302/.362/.372 (I know its early but I thought I would include it anyways) Career - .234/.314/.328 2004 was really the last year he had success against LHH. He's had some great years in his career but the last three years are pretty much what you can expect from him. I don't hate Kline but he is what he is, and it's not very good. If we needed someone to fill his role, which is basically a mop-up man, I'd rather see Misch take his place. If Kline isn’t walking a tight rope then what is he doing?

His peripherals just aren’t good at all, and its not some SABR nerd stat talk here. He’s not striking guys out and he’s giving up more hits than innings pitched. Pretty simple. He’s just not a good bet to be one of the stronger members of this bullpen. His WHIP is 1.773 he’s not that great of a LOOGY either.

Versus Left Handed Hitting
2006 – .261/.340/.337
2007 – .302/.362/.372 (I know its early but I thought I would include it anyways)
Career – .234/.314/.328

2004 was really the last year he had success against LHH. He’s had some great years in his career but the last three years are pretty much what you can expect from him.

I don’t hate Kline but he is what he is, and it’s not very good. If we needed someone to fill his role, which is basically a mop-up man, I’d rather see Misch take his place.

]]> By: fttts http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/comment-page-1/#comment-941 fttts Tue, 26 Jun 2007 19:12:20 +0000 http://www.baycityball.com/2007/06/26/the-start-of-something-beautiful/#comment-941 I guess I feel compelled to point out factual errors. I think it is inaccurate to say Kline has been walking a tight rope. Kline actually has been very reliable. He had a good April (ERA 3.38). He has had a very good June; last nights runs were the first ERs he's given up all month and he has an ERA of 1.59 for June (11.1 IP). Even in May, his poorest month, 5 of his 7 ERs came in two bad outings, the blowout against Oakland (15-3), where he loads the bases then gives up the slam to Ellis and a game against Colo where he puts a runner on and Hennessey comes in and gives it up. In those 2 appearances he gets 5 ERs without an out. In every other outing he has been effective to very effective. He doesn't has the thrill or excitement value of Sanchez or Correia as he is not a strike out pitcher. But he has a long career of sub 4 ERA (except for one year in Baltimore, which allowed us to get him relatively cheaply). And, yes, his numbers got raped last night. He should have had man on 1st, one out, rather than men on 2nd and 3d, 0 out. Entirely different inning. Our two OFs make the plays their expected to make and maybe no runs score. I guess I feel compelled to point out factual errors. I think it is inaccurate to say Kline has been walking a tight rope. Kline actually has been very reliable. He had a good April (ERA 3.38). He has had a very good June; last nights runs were the first ERs he’s given up all month and he has an ERA of 1.59 for June (11.1 IP). Even in May, his poorest month, 5 of his 7 ERs came in two bad outings, the blowout against Oakland (15-3), where he loads the bases then gives up the slam to Ellis and a game against Colo where he puts a runner on and Hennessey comes in and gives it up. In those 2 appearances he gets 5 ERs without an out. In every other outing he has been effective to very effective. He doesn’t has the thrill or excitement value of Sanchez or Correia as he is not a strike out pitcher. But he has a long career of sub 4 ERA (except for one year in Baltimore, which allowed us to get him relatively cheaply). And, yes, his numbers got raped last night. He should have had man on 1st, one out, rather than men on 2nd and 3d, 0 out. Entirely different inning. Our two OFs make the plays their expected to make and maybe no runs score.

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